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welcome to trucilla i am megan sitting

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here with scott and ed

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this week we have alex zakirus from the

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wildly popular podcast skeptico

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science at the tipping point that delves

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into topics such as parapsychology

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near-death experiences

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consciousness and spirituality welcome

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alex how are you

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i'm doing great thanks for that

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introduction megan i'm excited to talk

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to you guys today

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yeah definitely pretty cool excited very

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cool so um

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yeah so alex we started chatting a

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little bit before this and uh

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you're saying that um let's let's jump

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into this man you put together this

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amazing little

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what do you want to call like a survey

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questionnaire kind of just to get to

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know you

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ice breaker type of thing well

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icebreaker like

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break over your head but yeah you know

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it what i was saying you know we're

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all into podcasting and that is a whole

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process in and of itself

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and i love you know some of the guys

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some of the things that you guys shared

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in the show that i saw

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about what it's meant for you and what

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it's like you know preparing and then

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you know doing these shows and stuff

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like that and i i was

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relating that one of the things that i

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always find interesting

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is especially for you know people like

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us who dare to go into the altar as i

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alt alt community you know yeah it's

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there's so many different points of view

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within our community that it's funny

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because

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people outside the community they so

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easily lump everybody together

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and then inside it's like no man there's

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all these differences that are

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that are huge so what i thought would be

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just kind of fun since we don't really

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each other that well and we're just kind

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of doing this introductory thing

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is to go through this pre-question

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uh pre pre-interview what i send out to

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folks

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yeah the pre-interview questionnaire and

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scott i sent it to you

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it was really cool that you responded

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and then you looked at my responses and

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you said hey

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i'm not i didn't realize i could answer

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it that way i want to change my answers

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kind of a little bit i mean my initial

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thought on a couple things was like oh

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yeah i didn't even thought of it that

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way like i kind of like reframed the

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question when i when i saw it like

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yeah it was just weird it was really

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interesting like what happened to my

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brain after i saw like a different

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perspective i was like

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well i guess i kind of think that too i

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guess yeah it was kind of weird it was

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weird so that could be a whole

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discussion in and of itself you know uh

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uh suggestibility or whatever i don't

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so i i just thought it'd be fun guys i

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mean this is we have not planned this

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out but uh it can just be true

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and true podcasting fashion you know i

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love it love it

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so yeah so here are some of my questions

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i are interesting to me

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and i always start with the science

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question because that's how my show

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started i went looking for

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big picture answers you know who are we

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why are we here and i said well

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i have kind of a science science

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background you know let's let's science

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i kind of knew that science was full of

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[\h__\h] but i was like hey let's look what

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science has to say so

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here are my and i'll i'll read them for

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people because most of my listeners are

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just listening

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science check all that apply yes duh

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progress

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iphones and stuff choice number two no

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duh myth of progress nuclear

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three uh science is a method not a

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position statement

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extraordinary claims require

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extraordinary proof you get what you pay

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instrictably linked to scientific

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science science like what you know the

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scientific method yeah

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you know i would say is extraordinary

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claims will require extraordinary proof

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uh it's a method

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what we see in the world

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i mean you get what you pay for right

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i mean i think it's exactly i mean it's

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the scientific method i mean that's

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that's what science is i mean

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you know you get a hypothesis and you

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test it right

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and uh you know you you test those

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results versus your hypothesis

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and you go from there so i mean and

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so much of the the problem we're in

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right now but beyond based on those

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words but you know

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you kind of uh deemed things like then

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you base it on this science

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you would go make other conjectures and

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test those right so

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yeah i think but i think it is it's a

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good question just because it is

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it everything we're up against really is

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based on this principle of i mean right

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in this time where you know everybody's

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saying the science is settled you know

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follow the science i believe in science

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i mean these are things people are

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saying all over the place but what does

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it really mean

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right because really what it means you

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when they say the science is settled

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that that gets changed all the time

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we've seen that throughout history

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what what we believed was science at one

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point gets tested by someone else

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someone who thinks outside of the box

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and tests it a different way and we find

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out that we were wrong

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science is not it's not a definition of

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how things

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are it's uh it's it's a method mm-hmm

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yep absolutely megan what do you think

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um with these guys i have a bit i get i

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so i'm probably going to skip until i'm

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you're good you're good i'm going to

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[\h__\h] for now you're good um i think uh

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strieber episode and i think he said

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that we were way too

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early i wrote it down but we were way

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too early in our development as human

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beings

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to have beliefs we need to be finding

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the right questions right

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and i thought that was such a good good

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yeah well god i'm sorry no no i was just

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gonna say you know right now like

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like people call it like scientism right

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like it's like science has become like

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this religion that people believe in and

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it's the idea of science goes against

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the nature of believing in it to that

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extent right

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like yeah without questioning yeah

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you know i had a couple of things here

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that i i are interesting to me and my

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quirky way of looking at it

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one is that always it took me a while to

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really dig into this but this

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is really counter to the idea of science

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everything the extraordinary biases it

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science is known nothing's settled

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tested who would who would deem

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extraordinary proof to be extraordinary

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parapsychology you know like

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rupert sheldrick dr rupert children from

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who uh actually was nice enough to write

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the forward to my first book and he he

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wrote a book of his own called dogs that

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have you ever heard of that book no it's

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my wife you know i'm the guy who drives

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a truck and he goes you know delivery

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truck he goes i come home at all

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so sheldrick starts getting so many of

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that he says i mean this is how science

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it starts with anecdotes it starts with

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and then they go in and do the testing

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so that's what sheldrick does and he

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rather conclusive evidence that he put

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together and published in a pair of

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multiple peer-reviewed papers

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that these dogs did seem to have if you

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really love your dog and your dog is

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super smart in that way

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sometimes your dog can know when you're

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extraordinary proof and it suggests that

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science

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chugging out it's opposit it's a

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it's a method like we're saying it's not

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a position statement science doesn't say

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anything

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science is just a toolbox but the other

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is and you'll hear especially some

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say this and sometimes there's a truth

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to it but sometimes i think they pound

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on it too hard

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and that's that myth of progress you

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know

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we all understand that that freaking

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iphone hasn't necessarily made things

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better you know

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i mean iphone one was great iphone two

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and three was great but now we're at a

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point where like

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whoa is this really progress and then if

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you look at

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a.i you know artificial intelligence is

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strong ai and some of what that's

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bringing

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and we're going wow are you sure we

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don't need to tap the brakes on this a

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little bit

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yeah well i think we all have a sense of

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science has kind of diluted us

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into this myth of progress or this

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that progress might be coming at a on a

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different scale that we don't always

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measure

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and that's where ed you talk about

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scientism i think is

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is right on you know it's it becomes

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uh another religion absolutely certainly

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absolutely consciousness consciousness

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yes you guys want to you guys want to

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read that one sure you want to do it

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or something okay uh you wanna do it ed

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sure consciousness check all that apply

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one yes i'm in here it's the only thing

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we know for sure

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two mind is an epi

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epic phenomenon epic phenomenon of brain

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activity

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three consciousness is an illusion

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daniel dennett

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four consciousness is probably nothing

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neil degrasse tyson

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five a social construct sam harris

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seven did i skip six there's no numbers

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yeah if god is dead the only

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philosophical question is suicide

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albert camus consciousness is

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fundamental

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we are in consciousness do you mean the

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hard problem of consciousness

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do you mean the easy problem of

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consciousness interesting

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now yeah that's something more is that

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all of them yeah that's all

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let me uh let me go first on this one

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because this is kind of this is kind of

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my thing

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totally this is this is awesome because

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this is something i really was hoping to

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get into with you a little bit because

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it's kind of i love

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i've done a lot of looking into like the

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artificial intelligence and like you

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know all the different

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containment problems and all that easy

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problem heart problems so this is

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something that really fascinates me too

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and how it relates to consciousness so

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i'm really excited to get into that with

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you

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so uh consciousness is kind of a a

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nerdy way of saying that voice inside

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our head right

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but it turns out to be kind of the

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fundamental question

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in all this stuff when we're talking

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about scientism

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and we're talking about this idea that

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you know science can answer everything

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the roadblock really comes down to

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consciousness and this question

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of whether you are

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just a product of your brain or whether

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you are something more

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and uh what science this is like

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guys you know i i this is what

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made me a conspiracy guy i started out

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just looking at science

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and when i realized that how they've

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perpetrated this

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[\h__\h] lie that gets told to our kids

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when we take them to

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school and they go you're nothing you're

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really a biological robot in a

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meaningless universe

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you your life doesn't really have any

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meaning yes you love your mom and your

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dad but it's not real love it's just

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kind of a social construct

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what they're really doing is dividing

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you from their spirit from your

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spirituality but they're

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layering it on top with this whole thing

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that says no this is proven facts and it

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is

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because you are an epiphenomenon of

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brain activity so i use really fancy

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words like that so you're like oh yeah

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they really must know what they're

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talking about

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and the thing is that every scientific

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experiment we've ever done since the old

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double slit experiment way back in the

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day which is really

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a consciousness experiment that's what

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that is

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has verified over and over again that

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consciousness is real that consciousness

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is not an illusion kneel neil degrasse

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tyson you know

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the kind of main spokesman for science

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as we know it

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consciousness is probably nothing this

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is like one of the most stupid

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absurd things that anyone would ever say

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yeah there isn't a culture on the world

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at this time or in

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any time frame we can look at that would

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believe this that ever

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they would roll on the ground laughing

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if you said that there's

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there's nothing to to everything that we

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are

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and you know even philosophically

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philosophers

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all through the ages have pointed out

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that

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know

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if you guys are robots

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you could be maybe you're a could be

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absolutely

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the only thing i can know is that i'm in

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here

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so the fact that these nitwits who were

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putting up

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on the highest altar of science

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are perpetrating this like i spent five

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years just being

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angry and pounding on all those

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atheistic

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scientists in their in their babble

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until i realized

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the reason they're doing it is part of

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the conspiracy

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it's because if i'm going to control you

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if megan i'm going to tell you how to

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run your family and

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you know your kids and your husband all

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that stuff

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do i want you thinking you're a

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magnificent

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endless being uh of

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of possibility or do i want you to think

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you're a meaningless robot

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in a in a meaningless world and you

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really have

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there's really nothing to you you were

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just created by whatever is going on in

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your head

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i want the nothingness stuff if i'm in

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the control game

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so anyways guys that's my uh that's my

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wow

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that's such a great point like if yeah

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you if you're gonna control the

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narrative at that level so that's why

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you know the neil degrasse tysons get

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propped up you know i when i first

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started getting into podcasts like just

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as a consumer

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you know one of the ones i stumbled

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across across was sam harris and i like

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i like the things he was saying quite a

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bit you know what i mean

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right um you know but but his view like

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like not like no free will like we don't

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have free will like all that stuff it's

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like wait a minute hold on like it was

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kind of

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confounding you know i have to give him

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credit though that's what he turned me

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on to uh

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author named max tegmark um from i think

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mit

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uh who wrote a book called life 3.0 have

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you ever read that or heard of it

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i've heard of it but i know i haven't

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read it what'd you take out of that

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great it's so amazing like it just it

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starts off as like just a kind of a

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fictional account of like what would

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have like a scenario as if ai like our

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actual you know general ai were to come

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online

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um and it's fascinating and it just like

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lives in the in the machines for a long

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time

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doesn't reveal itself and like amasses

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its own wealth and then

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it's crazy like it's a super but then it

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just the whole book goes on to describe

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just

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all kinds of different scenarios and

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possibilities and philosophical dilemmas

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you know like like

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um the containment problem the alignment

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problem and all these things and it's

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just

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like whoa so it's a great book i thought

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it was fascinating but

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um you know i don't know and that's just

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such a that's i mean that's the core of

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that question there it's like

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i mean the hard problem being like if we

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can figure out like the biological

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physiological things

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in our brains that create consciousness

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right am i right isn't that kind of what

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it is

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like like uh like like what is the

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physiological components of our brain

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that create consciousness if we can

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replicate that theoretically we could

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artificially create it but i don't know

519
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so yeah i think a lot of that's

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transhumanism [\h__\h] that they've spun

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into something that's it's very

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interesting and it's not that there

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aren't real

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real questions there and good ideas but

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i mean i always think the hard problem

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of consciousness is so

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interesting because it's another trap

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like

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the hard conscious of pro the hard

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problem of consciousness has been

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that okay we understand how memory works

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we understand how perception works but

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how do you know how the the smell of a

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rose

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you know how do you you know store that

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or or

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love you know a heart problem and the

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problem with that is

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we don't know how memory works all the

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things that they say are the easy

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problems of consciousness

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we have no we have no idea you know and

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i shouldn't say we have no idea but

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the further we get into it the further

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we realize we don't you know and jumping

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off into kind of another topic but like

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if you look at

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theogens hallucinogens you know like

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really

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famous experiment was done just a few

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years ago in the uk

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by this guy named dr david nutt really

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one of highly kind of a weird name but

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the most highly regarded guys in the uk

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and they took these people they gave

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them psilocybin and they put them under

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an

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you're gonna see that brain light up

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like a christmas tree now because

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they're having this incredible trip

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right no

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it's the opposite the brain quiets down

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in the fmri

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what it supports is this idea that a lot

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of people have said from a lot for a

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long time is

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your brain is the inhibitor

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the kind of valve that keeps the

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consciousness

570
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out because if you really opened

571
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:50,559
yourself up

572
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,799
like some people do when they have a

573
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:54,320
near-death experience

574
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,480
or they have a a spiritually

575
00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:58,640
transformative experience or they trip

576
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:01,440
out you know it's an expanded

577
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,559
consciousness

578
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:04,559
so your brain is not creating it it's

579
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,760
just

580
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:07,440
limiting it down to a way that you

581
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,039
that's that would be one of the

582
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:10,960
conclusions you might come to

583
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,960
from the from that so yeah

584
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:16,720
wow that's a good way to think of it

585
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,160
yeah and i

586
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:20,000
yeah i've liked everything you guys have

587
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,600
said on this topic but uh

588
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:23,520
you know i think coming at it from a

589
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:25,600
little bit different of an angle just

590
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:28,880
i mean i feel like myself

591
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:32,160
i came from a place where i i wasn't

592
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:32,559
ever

593
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:39,510
you know you can't understand it so uh

594
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:41,679
um what's the point what's the point

595
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,960
kind of deal but

596
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,880
i think more as i've gotten into this

597
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,400
movement and i've looked at things you

598
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:48,000
know like i think kind of what you said

599
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,799
it's just like this

600
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:50,880
this thinking that way has been used to

601
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:52,160
control us but i think

602
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,160
like as i've opened my mind up and i've

603
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,400
seen how big the lies i've been told are

604
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,480
like it's just expanded and i've noticed

605
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:00,400
more things and the spirituality like

606
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:02,559
i feel like in in my life right now like

607
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,760
i'm just looking around

608
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:06,480
i feel like i'm running like i'm on this

609
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,600
this journey

610
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,600
and i keep running into these people

611
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:11,360
that i i feel like

612
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:13,679
people i've maybe seen in another life

613
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,679
or just like i've seen deja vu

614
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:17,520
like now that my mind's open to like

615
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,720
these things being possible

616
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:20,400
possible like i feel like i'm seeing

617
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,000
that all over the place right like

618
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,559
like and i'm uh so i believe there's

619
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,240
there's just something more we we

620
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,159
and maybe we can't explain it and it's

621
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:30,000
just and that's that's just got to be

622
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,480
okay

623
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,400
right you know when you bring up like

624
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:34,240
the the um

625
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,880
the hallucinogens too like and i i have

626
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:38,400
this one experience right

627
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:42,159
it's like my one like experience that

628
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:46,400
i i knew for a fact happened but i could

629
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:47,520
never explain it

630
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:50,720
i was uh i was i went out and

631
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,760
did some lsd with a bunch of people we

632
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,280
were out in the woods

633
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:58,320
and uh just at the peak of this thing

634
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,080
just it was the middle of the summer and

635
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,000
this just huge storm came over us

636
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,120
and it just poured rain on us and i knew

637
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:07,360
at that moment that the energy that we

638
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:08,480
were creating

639
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,880
it was tied to that like these these

640
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,480
these things were connected right

641
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:14,000
and i've never been able to explain it

642
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:15,600
but i like i know there's more

643
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,640
than than we understand and and i'm

644
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,320
and like like i said we've been lied to

645
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:22,000
at a level that you know i think they

646
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:23,440
don't want us to understand that and i'm

647
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,000
not saying

648
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:26,400
that they have it figured out but at the

649
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,360
same time

650
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:29,440
i'm open you know and i'm open to see

651
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,559
these coincidences

652
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:32,000
and recognize them at this point you

653
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,679
know

654
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,760
totally well i fully think that we're

655
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,360
consciousness or

656
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:39,200
spiritual beings however anyone wants to

657
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:40,480
look at that inside of

658
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,600
meat suits and i think that um

659
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,440
everything that that we've seen

660
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:47,039
throughout the history of the world has

661
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,760
been

662
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,360
you know the powers that be trying to

663
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,880
corrupt and pervert us from the

664
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,320
knowledge of that you know the hardening

665
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:54,000
of our pineal glands and

666
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:55,600
you know trying to keep us distracted

667
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,880
with low vibrational energy you know

668
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,480
alcohol drugs you know

669
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,960
you know sex one partner after the next

670
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,840
after the next you know there's

671
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,360
pornography everywhere you look and it's

672
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,120
just to keep us distracted and and

673
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,880
thinking that that is the higher way to

674
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,679
go

675
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,480
because it's like you say if human

676
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:11,600
beings really

677
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:14,080
became aware of what we are in the

678
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:14,960
implications of

679
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,760
what that is it turns everything on its

680
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:19,280
head and they certainly don't want i

681
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:20,480
mean when you go down the conspiracy

682
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:21,760
rabbit holes

683
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,720
to me this is clear evidence of them

684
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:27,039
constantly turning humanity from the

685
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,480
things that would be

686
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,159
um their higher selves their higher

687
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,840
purpose you know the ability to tap into

688
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,200
our own consciousness

689
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,039
you know i break it down even for like

690
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:36,799
you know divine masculine divine

691
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,200
feminine you know the things that we do

692
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:42,240
to um utilize and bloom in

693
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,799
in the gifts of the suits that we have

694
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,720
based on the consciousness

695
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:49,120
that we are um and it puts uh it puts

696
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:50,559
that consciousness into

697
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:53,520
a physical place for us to be able to

698
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:55,280
you know thrive and interact with others

699
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:55,600
so

700
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:58,799
i mean really really shortly i guess

701
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:59,200
that's

702
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,799
believe well said well said

703
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:05,360
absolutely you know i got i got a bunch

704
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,919
of

705
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,360
thoughts that spring to mind there but

706
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,480
i'm going to hold up because i think

707
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:09,840
we're going to get there

708
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,840
the same the same way so uh

709
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,080
okay megan you want to read the next one

710
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:17,760
oh geez well i don't have my glasses on

711
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,080
and

712
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:20,799
oh okay okay sometimes when i have to

713
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,520
read after do

714
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:22,880
like the little old lady splint and i

715
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,039
don't like anyone to see me doing that

716
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,200
stuff i'm gonna ask somebody else to

717
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:29,200
read only because i'm very squinty

718
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:32,559
go ahead okay scott you're gonna go for

719
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:32,799
it

720
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,240
skepticism skepticism

721
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,640
check all that apply so skepticism is a

722
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:39,919
part of science

723
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,320
skepticism implies meta knowledge and

724
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,480
his counter to science

725
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,720
uh skepticism don't be so open-minded

726
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:48,559
that your head falls out

727
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:51,840
uh inquiry to perpetuate doubt is a good

728
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:52,240
thing

729
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:56,080
and don't be a chump or other or other

730
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:59,279
for others anyone anyone want to take a

731
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,240
stab at that

732
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,559
yeah i mean i skepticism i i like

733
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,799
skepticism is a part of science

734
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,120
that's for me like i think um i mean

735
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:08,720
when i think of the scientific method

736
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,440
you know you're

737
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,039
you're putting out your hypothesis then

738
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,720
you're trying to disprove it really

739
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,080
like that's that's the idea of what

740
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:15,919
you're trying to do so i think you know

741
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,480
uh

742
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,880
any science whether it's it's been

743
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:20,320
proven or whatnot you know we should

744
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,520
always be skeptical

745
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,360
because it is like i said earlier i i

746
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,960
think it's these out of the outside of

747
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,480
the box thinkers that come

748
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,159
come up with ideas that change

749
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:30,320
everything right and an advanced

750
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:33,360
technology or whatever it is so that's

751
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,240
my opinion

752
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:36,240
totally i like the one don't be so

753
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,600
open-minded that your head falls out you

754
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,360
know i i think that's great

755
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,480
sunday school right yeah i love i love

756
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,240
being open-minded and like these days

757
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:45,840
like ed was just saying man like i'm

758
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,640
pretty much

759
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:49,200
open to anything man like these you know

760
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,679
this

761
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:52,080
so many doors have been opened and i've

762
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,880
questioned

763
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:54,240
so many things and found completely

764
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,360
different answers than what i guess i

765
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,799
was originally told and so you know i

766
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,240
mean i have to i have to i mean that's

767
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,320
part of this curiosity that keeps us

768
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:02,000
going is is the open-mindedness piece of

769
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:02,480
it

770
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,600
science you know you have to have that

771
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,679
um implies meta knowledge and it's

772
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:09,279
counter to science i guess i don't know

773
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:10,159
i'm not sure

774
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,200
i guess i don't know i would need

775
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,200
clarification what do you mean by that

776
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:15,279
one see that that's where i was kind of

777
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,760
that's

778
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:17,200
kind of leading you these electrical

779
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:18,799
questions yeah

780
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,559
yeah

781
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,480
so one of the things i learned along the

782
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,240
way is that

783
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,200
the the skeptical people they've owned

784
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,799
that they've taken that word

785
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,640
and they've convinced us that it's a

786
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:34,000
part of science

787
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:37,360
mean let's say

788
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:40,559
you're a really good scientist and

789
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,000
you think vaccines cause

790
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,720
harm to children right that's what you

791
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:47,919
think

792
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:50,880
do you have to be skeptical of that no

793
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,000
you just have to run

794
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,039
really really good randomized control

795
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,159
trials over and over again and then you

796
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,919
have to replicate them and then you have

797
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,600
to get other people to replicate them

798
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,679
and you have to be fair and honest about

799
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,200
interpreting your results

800
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,039
you don't have to be skeptical you can

801
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:09,039
be a cheerleader you can be a hater it

802
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:10,320
doesn't matter

803
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:13,520
the good science the method it all

804
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,880
should wash out this idea that they've

805
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:18,799
planted that you've got to be skeptical

806
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,039
and

807
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:22,080
you're

808
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:25,360
[\h__\h] good science fixes all of that

809
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,110
anyways that's my take well what i kind

810
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,640
of took that to mean is that like okay

811
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,200
so if i see something that maybe

812
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,919
i doesn't ring true to me like the

813
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,520
skepticism of what brings me to the

814
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:41,039
scientific method to begin with right

815
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,400
the skepticism of maybe

816
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,480
maybe the earth isn't flat maybe i need

817
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,440
to do some studies you know

818
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:49,279
i guess the point i'm making is what

819
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,720
they've kind of tried to tell us is that

820
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:54,799
you know they're going to decide it's

821
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,760
kind of like related to the

822
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,880
extraordinary claims of cry

823
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,000
extraordinary proof

824
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,760
they're going to tell us what the

825
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,120
extraordinary claims are they're going

826
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,039
to say no no no that's extraordinary

827
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,080
you need a new level to prove that no

828
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,880
science just says no everyone's on the

829
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,840
same level

830
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,760
you have to do good work you have to

831
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,600
achieve with statistical you have to

832
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,039
achieve this statistical

833
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,360
significance you have to do peer review

834
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,960
because peer review isn't perfect but

835
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,240
peer review matters

836
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,919
i interviewed the skeptic michael

837
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,279
shermer and he tried to tell me

838
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,960
peer review is a red herring because he

839
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:26,559
didn't like the near-death experience

840
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,200
research

841
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,279
that consistently shows that

842
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:31,360
consciousness survives bodily death

843
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,640
so what does a skeptic do when he

844
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,399
doesn't like the data he says oh

845
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,320
well peer review is a red herring

846
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,840
extraordinary claims require

847
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,039
extraordinary proof

848
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,880
and the same thing they say hey you want

849
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,399
me to be skeptical don't you

850
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,240
i said no it doesn't matter you want to

851
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,000
be the biggest cheerleader

852
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:48,640
in the world for flat earth i don't care

853
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,279
prove it

854
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,240
you want to be a flatter denier you

855
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:54,000
still have to prove it one way or

856
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,559
another

857
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,720
it's it's not about this idea that you

858
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,720
have to be skeptical per se

859
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,279
you just have to do good science yeah

860
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,440
yeah and maybe i just i would expand on

861
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,200
that though that um

862
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,760
i think there's a lot of uh i don't know

863
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:09,279
if bad science is the

864
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,559
way of putting it but there's a lot of

865
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,440
science that's been uh directed

866
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,600
that we're looking at totally right the

867
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,679
vaccine example you know i mean i mean

868
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,919
go try to get a study of uh aluminum and

869
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,159
vaccines right now go get one

870
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,240
can't get it done right so there are a

871
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:25,679
couple guys that are they're working on

872
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,720
this stuff but they're

873
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:29,279
very niche uh you know on the edges and

874
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,399
not have to get

875
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,919
funding they're not getting it from the

876
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,440
normal sources right so don't be

877
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,679
surprised if they end up dead dude yeah

878
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,360
well absolutely that's that's true too

879
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:38,640
you know there's a whole history of that

880
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:38,960
but

881
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,480
i mean i i guess if i'm gonna drive this

882
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:44,080
point into the ground ed

883
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:48,320
i'd say you know what do they say about

884
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,159
quote unquote the anti-vaxxers they say

885
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,240
you should be skeptical of that you

886
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,240
should be very skeptical of that

887
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,240
and they tie it to this idea that well

888
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,240
that's an extraordinary idea you know

889
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:01,520
it's an extraordinary idea

890
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,559
it it requires extraordinary proof

891
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:07,039
and and i think what you're saying and

892
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,760
i've just heard

893
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,440
a couple of your shows but i heard like

894
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:10,960
one of the studies you brought forward

895
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,520
and you've got

896
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,760
look the guy goes through a study he's

897
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,520
followed all the right procedures

898
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,039
he's published in a peer-reviewed

899
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:18,880
journal and they're still shooting it

900
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,440
down

901
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,760
see that's kind of to my point they're

902
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:23,360
telling you well you have to be

903
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,399
skeptical

904
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,720
and we've got to say no we just have to

905
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,080
be scientific sure

906
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:30,559
and if it's good science it stands on

907
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,279
its own

908
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,960
and then we look at some of the junk

909
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,399
science that's been done

910
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,840
and we have to be able to pull that

911
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:37,679
apart too and say you know what

912
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:41,279
that science fails because of this this

913
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,159
and this

914
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:45,039
but and not that science is the answer

915
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,600
because it's

916
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,559
obviously not but we're going we're

917
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:49,679
going to need

918
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,880
good science going forward because where

919
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:54,000
they've taken it

920
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:58,159
is next freaking level in terms of

921
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,360
you know i'm just putting together a

922
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:01,360
show on on masks

923
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,880
yeah you know and i i i mean i just

924
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:07,440
i can't resist just doing two minutes on

925
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:08,559
that but yeah

926
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:11,760
the two minutes would be you know

927
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:12,240
they've

928
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,840
looked at masks as whether or not

929
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,120
they're effective

930
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,320
in stopping the spread of influenza

931
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,080
covid you know covet we had that

932
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:24,960
years for years now you know sars and

933
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,520
all that

934
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,200
they've looked at it they've done the

935
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,039
studies they did the studies in

936
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,039
hospitals they did good studies

937
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,520
randomized controlled trials and what

938
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,480
they found

939
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,840
over and over again was that it doesn't

940
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:39,760
really make a difference if you wear a

941
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,720
mask or not

942
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:43,039
now and then you know i was pointing out

943
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,840
people was like

944
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,600
well how could that be like doesn't a

945
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,279
mask stop you it's like

946
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,880
hey when you were four years old your

947
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:50,799
mom told you cover your mouth when you

948
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,600
cough

949
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,440
that was good that was good advice you

950
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,760
know if you're sick and you go to cough

951
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,519
or sneeze cover your mouth you don't

952
00:31:00,950 --> 00:31:00,159
spread it but that doesn't answer the

953
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:00,960
question

954
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:03,279
of whether it's good health policy for

955
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,240
the whole public

956
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:06,640
because here's one possibility right

957
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,440
maybe

958
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,679
most people when they're sick they

959
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,039
already cover their mouth

960
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,679
so maybe masks aren't necessary i'm not

961
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:15,440
saying that's true don't get me wrong

962
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,039
i'm just saying what science would say

963
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:21,600
is that you have a real question there

964
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:22,240
that

965
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,200
can stop the little droplets coming out

966
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,880
of your head anyone can understand that

967
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,000
in five minutes

968
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,200
but the larger question is are they uh

969
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,440
are they effective health policy for the

970
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:36,880
general population

971
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,000
we have to do the science and here's the

972
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,159
point i'll leave you with without going

973
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:44,480
spending a half hour on it they already

974
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:45,600
did the research

975
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:48,880
in two years ago no one wore masks when

976
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,320
sars came out it wasn't mandated why not

977
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,679
because they had already done the work

978
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,600
and they knew it so what

979
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,600
changed and that's what i'd asked people

980
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,880
i'll just leave it at that and i'd say

981
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,880
what changed and like

982
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,799
what would have to change what would

983
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:04,159
have to change

984
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:07,120
for science to reverse that position and

985
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,159
then go look at it

986
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,200
were there a bunch of new well done

987
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:14,640
randomized controlled trials that showed

988
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,760
that maybe cloven 19 is different

989
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,080
or showed that hey that prior research

990
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:21,760
was wrong and it really is

991
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,039
what what i think if someone

992
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,919
really looks into the masks it

993
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:29,679
understands the science

994
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:32,880
and the science method you under you

995
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:33,600
reveal the

996
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,640
pandemic and wasn't there uh

997
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,799
there was a study i i somewhere over i

998
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:40,320
think in like norway or someone

999
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:41,760
somewhere like that where they

1000
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:44,240
they did find the uh there was a

1001
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:44,960
negligible

1002
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,679
a study and but it was something like

1003
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:54,159
you know you're at a point one two

1004
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,440
percent chance

1005
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,440
less of contracting it if you had the

1006
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,039
mask on it was like it was it was

1007
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,880
considered negligible so there

1008
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:03,039
there is some science that's even more

1009
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:04,320
recent that they've done on that

1010
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,279
specific issue

1011
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,200
but what i was bringing to the point is

1012
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:08,960
i know we're kind of doing an overall

1013
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,279
thing

1014
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:12,000
on this but specifically to this point

1015
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,039
what i want to see is

1016
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:15,440
what are the negative effects of wearing

1017
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,240
a mask for

1018
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:18,159
for this long like that's the science we

1019
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,519
should be and you know i mean i always

1020
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,519
come back to the vaccines too i mean

1021
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,039
because that's kind of where i came into

1022
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,200
this is what the cdc

1023
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,840
is sitting on so much data why don't we

1024
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:30,080
have a vax versus unvax why don't they

1025
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:31,760
just look through the data they already

1026
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,640
have

1027
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,559
like like let's go let's look at that

1028
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,159
and just

1029
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:38,080
answer this question for for final you

1030
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,440
you could do it

1031
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:41,679
it's it's the data's there i know it

1032
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,640
yeah

1033
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,120
i think the mass were the master were i

1034
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:46,559
mean the studies too that nobody talks

1035
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,120
about

1036
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:49,279
is the the psychological damage behind

1037
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,559
the mass and i think

1038
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,480
and we say all the time that those masks

1039
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,159
are the visual representation of this

1040
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,760
virus so that's another reason why they

1041
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,840
have to enforce it so so hard you can't

1042
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,200
have one or two or ten people in a

1043
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,799
community not wearing it because it lets

1044
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:02,000
other people know that hey

1045
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,360
they're still alive and thriving and

1046
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,519
they're okay so maybe i'll be okay too

1047
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,799
and it starts people thinking for

1048
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:08,159
themselves and they simply can't have

1049
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:08,720
that

1050
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,720
when people start getting into it with

1051
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:14,639
me about like the droplets and like you

1052
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,520
know look i can

1053
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,359
you know blow look i put carbon carbon

1054
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,280
dioxide for my kids all that yes i'm on

1055
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,440
board with all that i get that part

1056
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,520
but what about the real part which is

1057
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,359
you know the mind screw

1058
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,440
was the whole point behind all of it

1059
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,359
because without those masks there is no

1060
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,520
pandemic there is no covid

1061
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,000
everyone just goes on about their lives

1062
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,399
and so to me that's the glaring

1063
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,960
report that's missing and and all of the

1064
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,839
data that they

1065
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,760
you know bury and suppress it has to do

1066
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,520
with the real loss of life

1067
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,960
because of this that they've done

1068
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,800
shutting down people and

1069
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,359
uh you know just the psychological

1070
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,960
damage anyway sorry i get i'll get

1071
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,800
carried away on that but that's

1072
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,480
that's the part that resonates most

1073
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:56,320
deeply with me and as soon as they

1074
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,599
started that crap that's

1075
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:59,040
the first thing that i thought is that

1076
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,480
they need to have us be in compliance

1077
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,079
they need to have us visually be afraid

1078
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,839
all the time they need to have us you

1079
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:05,680
know looking at who's the enemy who's

1080
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:07,040
the neighbor that's not where who's

1081
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:07,839
unsafe

1082
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:11,119
know safe to be around me and mine you

1083
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,359
know

1084
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,720
the whole thing was just like this

1085
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,560
little psyop this little war

1086
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:16,720
that they started among you know the

1087
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:17,599
people of the world

1088
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:20,880
really absolutely i agree with you

1089
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,400
and uh i i think it's super powerful

1090
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,160
what you're saying and it i think it all

1091
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,000
of us it just kind of

1092
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,160
tightens up your gut because it's very

1093
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,640
dark it is very very dark

1094
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:35,680
what i'm trying to to kind of

1095
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:39,119
put forth is

1096
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:40,480
kind of from what i've done kind of

1097
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:41,920
coming from the science world and

1098
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,480
talking to so many of these scientists

1099
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:46,320
there's a way to construct these

1100
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:47,599
arguments

1101
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,640
that these guys are very very good at

1102
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:53,440
that can and we've seen it happen they

1103
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:54,320
can

1104
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:57,359
totally pull the debate and

1105
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,119
pull us into you know these dark alleys

1106
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,800
where no one winds up and we'll end up

1107
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:04,560
talking about flat earth kind of stuff

1108
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,680
i think that's part of the plan too so

1109
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:10,160
i'm down with what you're saying i'm

1110
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,119
just offering

1111
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:13,520
another way of looking at this that i'm

1112
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,320
not assure

1113
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:16,560
a lot of people and it's not like i got

1114
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,839
this you know it's like

1115
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,079
i could i can't i should bring up the

1116
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:21,680
guy who kind of really

1117
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,119
uh turned me on to this but but i i

1118
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:27,200
would go back and say

1119
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,720
from a scientific because i think you

1120
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:30,480
can hold people's feet on to the fire on

1121
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,760
this really simply

1122
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,800
say we didn't wear the masks before

1123
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,960
because they had done the work and they

1124
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,000
had proven

1125
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,079
that they weren't effective they weren't

1126
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,800
neces they didn't have a big result

1127
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,839
what changed and then put hold someone's

1128
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,800
feet to the fire

1129
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,640
and say where are the really good

1130
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,079
studies because

1131
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:52,640
all the things you're saying like hey we

1132
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:53,520
know

1133
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:56,079
that there's some risks in wearing masks

1134
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,520
all the time we haven't even

1135
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,400
calculated that we have physical risks

1136
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,320
psychological risks like you're saying

1137
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,040
so without even factoring those in what

1138
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,880
was the science

1139
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,280
that caused us to make that big shift

1140
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,200
and hold somebody's feet to the fire

1141
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:13,200
and make them say okay it's like a

1142
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:14,800
vaccine thing it is like the vaccine

1143
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,119
thing

1144
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:17,520
show me show me the science and they

1145
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,160
can't

1146
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,400
show you the freaking science because it

1147
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,680
doesn't exist

1148
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,440
and especially when they came out in

1149
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:25,520
march and said mask up there was

1150
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:28,880
no science anywhere

1151
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:32,400
that would compare to the meta-analysis

1152
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,200
that had been

1153
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:35,119
done the multiple studies and the

1154
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,560
meta-analysis that had been

1155
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:39,440
done prior and you can that's one where

1156
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,160
you can

1157
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,480
score a mark and hold somebody's feet to

1158
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,760
the fire and say yeah you know well we

1159
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,119
didn't have the mass right now

1160
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:48,320
where is the science for that uh uh

1161
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,240
yeah but don't masks work it's like yeah

1162
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:52,000
sure okay masks work but

1163
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,359
where's the science because we didn't

1164
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,520
use one why do we need them now

1165
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:57,520
anyway no that's just true man we're

1166
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,880
very very you get lost on this one

1167
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,320
forever just our you know our friend

1168
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,160
our friend ricky berandus ripple effect

1169
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:04,000
podcast just had david dr david

1170
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,760
martin on the other night you know the

1171
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:07,040
guy from the pandemic movie and he was

1172
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,720
like he's like putting it out there just

1173
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,480
as a challenge saying like you know i'm

1174
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,839
putting my credibility online

1175
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:13,359
anybody anybody fact checkers want to

1176
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,800
come up and debate me on this issue like

1177
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:16,160
there's not a single

1178
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,839
study that that proves you know viral

1179
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,680
transmission from one person to another

1180
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,440
with me you know like there's no study

1181
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,960
it doesn't exist and i'll go toe-to-toe

1182
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:24,000
with anybody in the world

1183
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,119
bring it and it's like all right cool

1184
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,280
hell yeah so come right on

1185
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:29,440
yeah anyway so you're right yeah that's

1186
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:30,839
that's encouraging

1187
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,160
spirituality whoa

1188
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:37,200
wait you're up all right spirituality

1189
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,640
check all that apply yes who am i why am

1190
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,680
i here

1191
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:44,079
no i am a biological robot in a

1192
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:45,280
meaningless universe

1193
00:38:52,349 --> 00:38:48,320
deal with it maybe i'm agnostic

1194
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:52,359
no really i'm really really agnostic

1195
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:55,760
idkidc i don't know i don't care

1196
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:58,960
okay it only matters if you believe it

1197
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,079
that's not a question evidence suggests

1198
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:04,480
extended realms of non of consciousness

1199
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:05,200
exist and

1200
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,560
interact with us or other or other

1201
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,920
yeah i would say people listening if you

1202
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,680
guys have any others for any of these

1203
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,200
like throw them down in the comments i'd

1204
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,040
love to see them that's cool

1205
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,240
um yeah what do you think oh i

1206
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,280
i'm again i mean i'll just jump right in

1207
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,960
and say you know especially

1208
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,800
because i came from a spot where i was i

1209
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,000
was almost leaning

1210
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,240
atheist i feel like i i came out of like

1211
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,400
being the brainwashed side right like i

1212
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,760
feel like i

1213
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:33,839
i ate right into what i was fed for a

1214
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,560
long time right and like

1215
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,800
at this point like yeah i just 100

1216
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:39,920
believe in spirituality

1217
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,800
i think it's it's there it's real i'm

1218
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:44,160
trying to come in

1219
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:47,440
contact with it however i possibly can i

1220
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:48,640
don't really um

1221
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:51,920
necessarily understand it but um there's

1222
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,480
there is

1223
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:54,560
things greater than us happening and we

1224
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,680
are just uh

1225
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,359
like like i said i look at it we're on a

1226
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,520
journey man like try to notice

1227
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,480
the things that uh along your own the

1228
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,480
the things that um

1229
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:06,160
the coincidences that aren't maybe

1230
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,000
coincidences right

1231
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,319
yeah 100 i think i think you just nailed

1232
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,680
it like if i were to say other like what

1233
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,960
you were saying too what initially

1234
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,400
initially came to my mind was the

1235
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,000
the journey part like it's a journey and

1236
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,839
it can mean anything for anybody

1237
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,680
you know like like my interpretation of

1238
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,280
it is probably different than

1239
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,720
everybody else's and that's that's the

1240
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,480
beautiful part about it you know

1241
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:26,160
i get to have my version of it and

1242
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:27,200
everybody else gets to have their

1243
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,400
version of it too

1244
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,400
um i think that's really important part

1245
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:31,920
but um like i know i know you were

1246
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,400
saying

1247
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,839
alex that like you know the question of

1248
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,599
yes who am i why am i here

1249
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:37,599
is like the the the penultimate question

1250
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:38,720
right like that's that's

1251
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:41,920
the big the big one there um uh

1252
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,960
yeah i i think that it's it's to me i

1253
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:46,560
don't even want to put it in a box i

1254
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,079
don't like to define it or label it

1255
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,680
because if i do that i'm limiting it i

1256
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,280
like it to just be something that i

1257
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,880
can't even comprehend because if i could

1258
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:54,000
comprehend it

1259
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,680
then that would make me some kind of god

1260
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,599
and i don't want to be that and so

1261
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:59,280
like i just like to leave it open you

1262
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:00,640
know but yes

1263
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:04,000
just without any sort of constraints i

1264
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:04,960
guess yeah

1265
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,240
just just stay open that's it i

1266
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,800
say yes uh for sure yeah i mean

1267
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,960
spirituality yeah i mean i don't

1268
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,640
i think it's not a question but i think

1269
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,560
that kind of goes back to

1270
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:18,160
one of the earlier questions where it's

1271
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:19,280
you know whether or not we've been

1272
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,000
corrupted against

1273
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,280
ourselves and we're not able to access

1274
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:25,200
or tap into or be

1275
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,560
aware of it i mean i think a lot of the

1276
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:28,079
things that people shut themselves up

1277
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:29,839
about those inner voices or those inner

1278
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,960
dialogues or

1279
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,560
those gut feelings the hair on the back

1280
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,560
your neck we could go off on a million

1281
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,720
different ways of perceiving that

1282
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,400
but i think that that is directly tied

1283
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,839
into a spiritual realm

1284
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,160
and i think that those are powerful um

1285
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,560
guideposts and indicators that you know

1286
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,040
as you lean on those things or listen to

1287
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,800
those things or practice being in tune

1288
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,160
with those things more and being

1289
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,240
in um alignment within your own

1290
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,680
spirituality within your

1291
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:56,319
physical body i think that that broadens

1292
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:57,280
and expands

1293
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,880
so yeah wow and and i just

1294
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,640
i'm just going to touch on i mean i know

1295
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,160
something that you're probably

1296
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:06,319
know a lot about but i i know a little

1297
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,760
bit about but uh

1298
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,160
just just the idea of the the

1299
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:12,079
transference or whatever happens when we

1300
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,599
die and our energy

1301
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:15,440
leaves i think there there is you know

1302
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,720
i've listened to it you know

1303
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,560
uh dr zach bush did an interview with

1304
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,760
dell big tree uh

1305
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,520
last year that was just really powerful

1306
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,040
to me just someone who lives in the

1307
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:24,560
nursing homes would sit with all these

1308
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,680
people as their

1309
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,520
you know as their energy left and it

1310
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:29,040
just it just really touched me and just

1311
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:30,560
like there is

1312
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,000
i think that dictates so much of how

1313
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,760
how and why people do things thinking

1314
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:37,839
that this life just ends at that point

1315
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,480
right

1316
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,800
if if we are a spiritual being that that

1317
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,960
um this is just the meat suit as megan

1318
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,720
said right like it changes your whole

1319
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,240
outlook on everything right

1320
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,760
and and i think that's really important

1321
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,760
and i i'm honestly like i'm

1322
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,520
like how i've seen and viewed things

1323
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,800
have like changed so much

1324
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,800
even maybe just this year really you

1325
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,319
know just seeing what what's

1326
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,800
the what's been perpetrated this lie

1327
00:43:01,270 --> 00:43:00,400
that's been perpetrated against us right

1328
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,280
and just

1329
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:03,440
realizing like how big that lie is and

1330
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:04,560
uh

1331
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,520
but and just all the coincidence like i

1332
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:09,359
use the word coincidences but like i i

1333
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,640
think there are a lot more than that

1334
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:12,560
right like that this this is um they're

1335
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:12,960
like

1336
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:15,680
almost their guideposts for me right

1337
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,640
they're they're things

1338
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,960
that i'm supposed to see to um to make

1339
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:21,040
the next right steps in my life you know

1340
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,599
and i'm

1341
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:24,400
just recognizing that more and more so

1342
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,520
yeah as far as just like

1343
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:27,280
coincidences i think i think of it the

1344
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,960
same way like kind of like mile markers

1345
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,400
like i might veer off throughout my day

1346
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:32,000
but sometimes some synchronicity will

1347
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:33,280
occur or something will happen it'll be

1348
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:34,480
like okay for

1349
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,760
whatever else i've done like in this

1350
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,200
particular split second i'm right where

1351
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:39,200
i'm supposed to be and and sometimes

1352
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,640
they happen in like rapid succession

1353
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:42,079
like i think i had a few just today you

1354
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,440
know just weird

1355
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,720
like i'll be i'll be listening to

1356
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,920
something like on the headphones and

1357
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,760
then like the same word that is on

1358
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,599
the headphones i'm reading it on a

1359
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,520
screen somewhere or i

1360
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,880
see the same words that drive by it's

1361
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,480
like okay i'm synced up right at this

1362
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,839
moment you know and it's like okay

1363
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,240
that's a good a good indicator that i'm

1364
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,680
on the right path right and i could

1365
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,200
either choose to

1366
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:03,440
uh give some sort of value to it or not

1367
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:05,119
i could just pick oh coincidence sure

1368
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,800
or i can like choose to assign meaning

1369
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:10,240
to it and be like okay so there is

1370
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,119
something there

1371
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,720
and to me it's a lot more comforting and

1372
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,560
a lot more fulfilling to actually assign

1373
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,160
meaning to it and be like okay

1374
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,319
yeah that is cool i am on the right path

1375
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,560
right so

1376
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,240
well it's really cool so many of those

1377
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:24,000
things one i think the meaning thing is

1378
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,200
interesting isn't it

1379
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:27,839
because it's like that's the one thing

1380
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:28,240
that

1381
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,440
are just

1382
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,280
enmeshed in meaning everything is

1383
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:36,960
meaning and it's again like we're

1384
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:37,760
talking about the

1385
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,960
the the perpetrated fraud that

1386
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,359
meaningless right like you talk to the

1387
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,200
astrophysicist well there's no meaning

1388
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,800
in the universe

1389
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,920
well if there's no meaning in the

1390
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:49,280
universe and there can't i'm in the

1391
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,640
universe

1392
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,359
then there can't be any meaning and so

1393
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:55,599
they've taken it and they've inverted it

1394
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,480
because the inversion is everything like

1395
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,480
you guys are saying man scott eddie both

1396
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,079
said the same thing

1397
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:04,160
everything is meaningful that's what you

1398
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:05,760
realize the more you get into it i mean

1399
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:06,079
i'm

1400
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:07,599
kind of wacky i've been getting more

1401
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,880
into like just trees you know

1402
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,640
like being outside and just going over

1403
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:14,319
and just touching the tree and just

1404
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,599
feeling the energy and go everything

1405
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,319
is meaningful the other couple of things

1406
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,880
you said ed i just wanted to touch on

1407
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:24,560
real quick because i think they're

1408
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,270
i think we all kind of have a little bit

1409
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:34,720
of a sense

1410
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:38,079
that what they've done here is that

1411
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,480
they've

1412
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,720
kind of overplayed their hand a little

1413
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:42,480
bit because in a way

1414
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:46,640
they've sparked this spirituality in all

1415
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,359
of us

1416
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,280
who are awake and the least bit we're

1417
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,560
like hey

1418
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,960
it's got to be more than this because

1419
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:53,760
when we look

1420
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,480
into their eyes they're so afraid and

1421
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:58,160
the biggest thing they're afraid of is

1422
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,119
death

1423
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,160
they're afraid of dying you know i the

1424
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,000
the interview i have up on uh

1425
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,839
skeptical right now is with this

1426
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,200
terrific woman i really like her

1427
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:08,720
although i've battled with her many

1428
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:09,359
times

1429
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,599
her name is leslie kane and leslie

1430
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,079
you guys know ufos leslie wrote a super

1431
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:18,640
influential book about 10 years ago

1432
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,920
ufos generals pilots and

1433
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,839
government officials go on the record

1434
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,119
very important book

1435
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,800
and then she wrote a book surviving

1436
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,880
death and now

1437
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,040
netflix has made a series out of her

1438
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,119
surviving death book it's top five on

1439
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:35,680
netflix so not everything on netflix

1440
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:38,960
is demonic just 90 percent

1441
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:41,760
but if you're on if you're on netflix

1442
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,240
check

1443
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:45,440
it is an extraordinary series six-part

1444
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,240
series

1445
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:49,200
you know near-death experience after

1446
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,520
death communication

1447
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:53,280
reincarnation surviving death and they

1448
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:53,839
did a

1449
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:57,440
fantastic job with it and it's very

1450
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:02,480
it's just it's it's super science based

1451
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:06,160
uh you know reincarnation they go to

1452
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,839
university of virginia dr

1453
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:09,839
jim tucker i've interviewed him on this

1454
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,319
show a couple of times

1455
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:14,720
he's got the goods man there's a it's

1456
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:15,359
just

1457
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,880
it's overwhelming the amount of

1458
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,359
scientific evidence and what it all says

1459
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,359
is what ed said is

1460
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,000
you don't drop off the cliff something

1461
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,920
survives that megan saying the same

1462
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,280
we're all saying the same thing we all

1463
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:28,880
realize it

1464
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,000
but what we what we're up against is

1465
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,680
something that one

1466
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,839
completely denies that there's anything

1467
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,520
more to you on one hand

1468
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,920
but the other thing it does is it has

1469
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,079
this little wink in a nod like

1470
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:44,319
well there is something more and it's

1471
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,119
evil

1472
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:48,480
demonic it's you know do these horrible

1473
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:49,040
things

1474
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,559
because hey man do without wilt is

1475
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:54,240
really the only thing that matters kind

1476
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,880
of thing

1477
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:56,720
that's the other ethos out there right

1478
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,200
so on one hand we're told

1479
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,750
you're meaningless and everything is

1480
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,440
meaningless but then on the wink and the

1481
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:07,839
knot it's kind of like yeah but you know

1482
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:10,720
johnny depp west memphis three you know

1483
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,520
all that kind of stuff too so it's like

1484
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,160
anyway totally yeah check out that check

1485
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,839
out that show though i think anyway

1486
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:20,160
absolutely seen it on there but it's

1487
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,440
great

1488
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,440
i'll read the next one extend

1489
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,440
consciousness

1490
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,400
what and then second is angels and

1491
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,079
demons are baloney

1492
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,400
third is astral travel autobody

1493
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,319
experience shamanic germany

1494
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,440
journeying it's all baloney

1495
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:40,079
after death communication dream yoga e.t

1496
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,200
telepathy

1497
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,319
it's all baloney next is it's not

1498
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,480
baloney but it's not what you think

1499
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,400
next is we're trying to learn more about

1500
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,040
this which is the agnostic easy way out

1501
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,319
for all this stuff

1502
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:54,960
and then next is we're discouraging

1503
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:57,280
anyone from learning anything more about

1504
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,640
this

1505
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:00,079
what do you guys think i find it

1506
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:01,520
interesting that on there you don't have

1507
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,319
one that says

1508
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,440
heck yeah like well i mean i

1509
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,599
i i mean we're discouraging anyone from

1510
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,200
learning more oh yeah that's kind of

1511
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:11,280
is kind of that that's yeah that's what

1512
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,480
jumped out at me

1513
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,599
interesting i mean absolutely i i it's

1514
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,440
one of those things that it's like

1515
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,280
you know like with with ghosts right or

1516
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,720
anything really paranormal it's like

1517
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,640
until i see it and until i i

1518
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,160
can see with my own two eyes or feel it

1519
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,160
for myself then i can't

1520
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,319
i can't put any belief in right but it's

1521
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:30,640
like i don't know i don't know there's

1522
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,119
uh

1523
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,280
i would say just like my one experience

1524
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,520
that i always already shared here is

1525
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,680
falls into this category to me right

1526
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:38,800
yeah like like there's

1527
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:41,119
like this idea of this energy being

1528
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:41,839
connected

1529
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,880
you know to me down on earth with a

1530
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,280
whole bunch of people just like

1531
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,720
what i would tell you is just like

1532
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,400
there's so much concentrated energy and

1533
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:52,000
here we have this storm that blows in

1534
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:52,400
the

1535
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,599
like in here

1536
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,280
i feel like there's people that have

1537
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,960
gone farther out like i

1538
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,720
i can't explain any of this stuff but

1539
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,000
i'm willing to

1540
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:05,280
absolutely and that's well that's what i

1541
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,319
was going to say too it's like what my

1542
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:07,760
example i was using is like if i can't

1543
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,480
see it or

1544
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,079
delete touch it then i don't believe it

1545
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,079
i was saying that that's an easy way to

1546
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,960
check yourself out and not uh you know

1547
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,720
put any thought or effort into maybe

1548
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:18,480
exploring this but for me i'm like yes

1549
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:19,280
let's do it

1550
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,359
after death dream yoga telepathy man

1551
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:25,359
100 let's not forget that you know it

1552
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,400
was uh um

1553
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,240
it was a psychic that told david ike

1554
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,720
that he was gonna go out and uh you know

1555
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,400
change the world with what he was gonna

1556
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:34,000
be preaching way ahead of his time right

1557
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,680
so like i i think there there is

1558
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,960
something there there is

1559
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,720
something people are able to tap into

1560
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,960
that we don't maybe understand but some

1561
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,800
people have gotten closer to it right

1562
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:44,319
i mean there's the whole thing with the

1563
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,000
like the the dmt

1564
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,920
realm and stuff okay yeah there's like

1565
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,839
all these different like ideas out there

1566
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:51,040
and you know i mean

1567
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,160
sure i'm sure there's some like baloney

1568
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:56,240
[\h__\h] in there too but like at the same

1569
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,200
time i think there

1570
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:59,040
there's some reality in there too right

1571
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,240
like it's

1572
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,000
i don't think any of that's not baloney

1573
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,079
i think i think all of that's real

1574
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,240
and i i always go like the the whole

1575
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,800
angels demon things to me that is very

1576
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:10,240
clear you can feel

1577
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:14,000
that energy it is a palpable real energy

1578
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:14,559
you can

1579
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,359
it in circumstances around you

1580
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:22,000
if you are at all aware or awake you can

1581
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,960
see that

1582
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:25,200
um so to me that is a certainty as far

1583
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:27,040
as astral travel out of body experience

1584
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,480
i think absolutely yeah

1585
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,160
absolutely and i and i do think that

1586
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,400
that has to do with the fact that we are

1587
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,720
again for me that we're this uh you know

1588
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:36,079
spiritual soulful being

1589
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,599
inside of this meat suit and we can only

1590
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:39,520
perceive what we can through this but we

1591
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,000
actually

1592
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,920
exist in a spiritual environment

1593
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,440
everything is spiritual

1594
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,200
going on around it's a spiritual warfare

1595
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,800
all the time there's good there's bad

1596
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,400
what people are doing from this

1597
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,480
terrestrial or you know

1598
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,359
human conscious plane to seek you know

1599
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,240
other dimensions

1600
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,400
of that or try to reach out or tap into

1601
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,760
the other dimensions i mean i've

1602
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:59,119
certainly talked to people who have

1603
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,480
experienced like astro travel and

1604
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,760
out-of-body experiences

1605
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,839
and have zero doubts hearing them

1606
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,280
explain to me and knowing what i know

1607
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,800
and perceiving what i do

1608
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:09,280
that that that did not happen for them

1609
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,000
um so

1610
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,160
i i'm not saying anybody can just do it

1611
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,839
and i don't think everyone's meant to do

1612
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,359
everything it's like with medicine or

1613
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,960
food or anything else you don't blanket

1614
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,040
one thing for all of humanity but i

1615
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:21,040
definitely think that that is a thing

1616
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:23,040
and it it intrigues me deeply so

1617
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,800
well you can you can have one size fits

1618
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:26,319
all vaccines like the same dose

1619
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:33,760
oh 600 pound man and an infant baby

1620
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,800
you know one thing uh megan i

1621
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,240
for the last year i've been really

1622
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:40,240
interested in angels and angel stories

1623
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,040
and i'm

1624
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:43,839
spiritually kind of a dense guy i don't

1625
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:44,960
have any really

1626
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,599
extraordinary experiences some dreams

1627
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:48,960
occasionally some loose

1628
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,839
dreams like my son was like from the

1629
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,200
time he was eight he was telling me

1630
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:55,040
about his lucid dreams and i was like i

1631
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:56,720
don't even know what a lucid dream was

1632
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,520
until you know my own son kind of told

1633
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:00,880
me it but anyways i

1634
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,280
kind of digress so i started looking on

1635
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:04,880
youtube and anyone can do this

1636
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,280
there's this old it's kind of churchy

1637
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:08,800
but it's great stories

1638
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:12,000
angel stories with real people and these

1639
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:13,359
people tell these

1640
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:16,480
encounters that they had and you look at

1641
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,200
these people

1642
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:19,040
and you know they're like a whole family

1643
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,319
and they'll tell the story and they're

1644
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,880
not lying and it's like truly no other

1645
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,480
way to explain it

1646
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,480
other than they encountered we don't

1647
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,240
know what it is but

1648
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:30,240
calling an angel the other thing i want

1649
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:31,359
to mention about

1650
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,640
you ed is uh you know dude what you're

1651
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:36,480
talking about there is like

1652
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,079
classic shamanic [\h__\h] like

1653
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,559
and you mentioned david ike i don't know

1654
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:43,920
if you know his story but

1655
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:46,720
i interviewed him and he told this story

1656
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,000
about he's dr

1657
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:50,160
he feels you know he has that kind of

1658
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,280
psychotic break

1659
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:53,599
on british tv like back in the 80s or

1660
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:55,280
whatever that everyone remembers and

1661
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,559
calls him out he goes i was just

1662
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,960
i had a break you know but he's driving

1663
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:59,839
in peru

1664
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,400
and he's getting these messages like and

1665
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:04,559
the message says pull over

1666
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,280
and he pulled he has the guy pull over

1667
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:09,599
and he walks up this hill

1668
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:12,960
and he stands on this hill and he said

1669
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,319
it's the clearest blue sky in the world

1670
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:19,440
and he says within 10 minutes this one

1671
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:20,480
cloud just

1672
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,000
emerges and it forms and it comes right

1673
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:27,119
over them and it just rains the hardest

1674
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,000
rain

1675
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:31,119
right on top of them and then it it

1676
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,240
leaves

1677
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:34,640
lo and behold i interviewed another guy

1678
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:35,359
who is

1679
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,960
uh from australia and he kind of

1680
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,960
helps people in these kind of shamanic

1681
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:43,280
kind of thing kind of does the ayahuasca

1682
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:44,480
stuff

1683
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:47,280
tells me the exact same story almost to

1684
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,160
the word

1685
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,240
he doesn't know david ike but the same

1686
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:52,240
thing the spirit says i'll show up there

1687
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:53,440
in five minutes

1688
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,960
and what shows up is this wall of rain

1689
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,720
that's like you can put your hand in it

1690
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,200
and take your hand out of it it's a wall

1691
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,359
of freaking rain and he talks to the

1692
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:05,359
shaman the shama go yeah that's a

1693
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:09,839
that's like common story dude so i mean

1694
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,559
i don't know just investigate that on

1695
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:13,760
your own but

1696
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,920
i think there's something to that maybe

1697
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:16,960
yeah for sure

1698
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:21,440
definitely crazy hey uh next is evil

1699
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:24,960
okay say you want to read ahead

1700
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:28,319
sure evil a social construct i know it

1701
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:29,520
when i see it

1702
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:33,040
satanic stuff satanic satanic panic

1703
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:33,680
stuff

1704
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,119
who am i to judge do what thou will

1705
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:39,359
see the bible there is a moral

1706
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,599
imperative do good not evil

1707
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:44,240
god can't be all powerful and all good

1708
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:45,599
create better than the

1709
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,720
creator than the creator gods

1710
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:51,359
yeah i threw some weird ones in there

1711
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,400
interesting

1712
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,079
yeah any thoughts guys because i just

1713
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,160
wrote a book why evil matters

1714
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:58,400
how science and religion fumble the big

1715
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,200
one so

1716
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:01,200
wow i've been on this thing i've been on

1717
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,240
the evil thing

1718
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,920
people get tired of me talking about it

1719
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:05,359
no i've been talking about it for a

1720
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:05,920
while

1721
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:08,720
yeah yeah what do you think i mean i

1722
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,440
think there is

1723
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,440
definitely inherently evil i mean i

1724
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:13,839
think to me like um

1725
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:16,880
i like to to pull it back to

1726
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,040
you know hurting other people right if

1727
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:20,880
what you does hurts other people and and

1728
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:21,440
you know

1729
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:23,920
there always becomes some gray area and

1730
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:25,520
whatnot in there but uh

1731
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,119
you know i think there's there's an

1732
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:29,359
intuition in there too you know there's

1733
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:34,319
like you know i think of when i'm doing

1734
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,400
what is good and what is right um it's

1735
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,319
i'm trying to help others right like

1736
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:42,079
that is and i've always kind of thought

1737
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,119
that's kind of the

1738
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:46,079
the secret of life right like the secret

1739
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,200
to life is like

1740
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:49,280
to to bring real joy and happiness to

1741
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,400
yourself is to

1742
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,559
is to help others and you know we always

1743
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:54,079
are so focused on

1744
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:57,680
helping ourselves and um and and where

1745
00:57:01,190 --> 00:57:00,079
if we're really focused on others we get

1746
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,200
out of ourselves and

1747
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,520
and we bring true joy so that's kind of

1748
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:05,440
the opposite and so the antithesis is

1749
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:05,839
just

1750
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:08,480
so focused on yourself and consuming and

1751
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:09,119
um

1752
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,400
and whatnot i think leads you down the

1753
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:14,319
evil path and when you're hurting others

1754
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,599
and and you're just concerned with

1755
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:18,000
yourself i i mean i think that's kind of

1756
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:19,760
the

1757
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,480
that's how i

1758
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,400
the intuitive way i can explain it right

1759
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,880
that's the intuitive way i know evil

1760
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,640
but um but i think there is a certainly

1761
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,160
a simple version of just like

1762
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:34,400
you know hurting others hurting people

1763
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,200
is evil

1764
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,599
and that can that can be you know direct

1765
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,440
or very indirect right

1766
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:41,119
so there's there's a million different

1767
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:42,799
ways but um

1768
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:45,839
you know well i think that evil is

1769
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,720
for sure um and i think that i don't

1770
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:50,480
believe that evil can exist

1771
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,319
in a spiritual plane that is clean um

1772
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,400
so i think that you can have someone

1773
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:58,079
that doesn't have a clean spiritual

1774
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,960
space

1775
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:01,440
that commits acts that are you know

1776
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:03,200
immoral or hurtful or wrong and those

1777
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:04,480
things and they're not an inherently

1778
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,520
evil person

1779
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,440
and then there are people who are aware

1780
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:08,880
that they are disconnected or they

1781
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,079
simply don't care

1782
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,920
um but all of these things i think are a

1783
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,359
condition these are

1784
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:15,599
spiritual conditions again i think i

1785
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:16,720
believe that we live

1786
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:18,880
you know in these fleshy suits in a

1787
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:21,119
spiritual realm and so what we have

1788
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,160
there is in my

1789
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,640
to my belief system i'm in the things

1790
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:26,319
that i've seen and experience that there

1791
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,880
is

1792
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,640
there's good and there's evil or i would

1793
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:31,200
say there's clean and there's not clean

1794
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:34,400
um and so you know a lot of that has to

1795
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:38,000
evil carries with it a very very

1796
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,599
distinct energy it is a

1797
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:43,520
common energy that you will find

1798
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:44,880
throughout evil acts

1799
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:48,000
evil people evil conduct that that

1800
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:50,000
resonates and when you talk about you

1801
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:51,200
know like i've had you know

1802
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,720
for in particular you know like child

1803
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,160
molestation things that happened when i

1804
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,839
was little but when you talk to somebody

1805
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,520
else who's maybe never talked

1806
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:59,119
about their experiences with being

1807
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,880
molested as children

1808
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:02,240
or you know you can take any form of

1809
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,920
abuse and this is just one of two

1810
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,680
trillion things we can go off on

1811
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:07,280
but the experiences and the things that

1812
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:08,880
happen the kind of interactions in

1813
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,440
exchange

1814
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,440
that happens in those circumstances is

1815
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:13,200
the same across the board because

1816
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,559
that degree of evil energy carries with

1817
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:17,680
it whether it's in

1818
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,880
you know in italy or in the us or in

1819
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,160
china it doesn't matter

1820
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:25,280
that is an evil energy it comes from an

1821
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,000
evil

1822
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,319
spirit um and there's all different

1823
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,240
sorts of those spirits that carry

1824
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,160
that evilness um and so like i say i

1825
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,079
think that you know there's

1826
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:35,920
this misperception i think about you

1827
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,119
know if somebody does something wrong it

1828
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:38,960
makes him an evil person well that's

1829
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,839
that's not what evil is evil isn't the

1830
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:43,839
act in and of itself but it is the

1831
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:44,480
condition

1832
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,680
of somebody's true nature um and i don't

1833
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,599
um also believe like i think that you

1834
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:51,359
can have somebody who's maybe a little

1835
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:52,319
bit asleep

1836
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,760
and have you know done things throughout

1837
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:55,040
their lives that aren't the best and

1838
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,240
have you know

1839
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:59,520
i guess become an evil outcome in

1840
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:00,559
somebody's life

1841
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,839
have that still not be a seed of evil

1842
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,040
those are things that could mean

1843
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,200
be healed but i think that again that

1844
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:09,200
you cannot have something clean existing

1845
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:09,920
within

1846
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:12,880
a true evil entity and so there there

1847
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:13,520
being

1848
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,559
evil doesn't heal evil is what it is it

1849
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,640
doesn't dissipate it doesn't water down

1850
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,400
it doesn't get replaced

1851
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,440
um it it is and so that's

1852
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,920
that's what i see that's what i believe

1853
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,200
you're gonna make me go after that

1854
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:29,520
yeah at least i didn't wait to go last

1855
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,240
this time

1856
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,319
no that's great uh man i don't know i

1857
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:34,079
think um i think you you said there's so

1858
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:35,359
many good things there i think it

1859
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,280
is it is it's just an energy and a force

1860
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,599
that exists and and it fluctuates and

1861
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,799
then maybe it shows up to different

1862
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,480
degrees in different places

1863
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,839
and different people but maybe it's like

1864
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,680
a constant energy maybe the kind of like

1865
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:47,200
like consciousness that maybe like kind

1866
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,680
of

1867
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:49,200
ebbs and flow i mean i just don't know

1868
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,880
um i think a lot of the stuff that's on

1869
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,400
the list here like the

1870
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,920
i know it when i see it there's an

1871
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:55,520
interesting one because

1872
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,880
i think part of the nature of it is

1873
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:58,799
maybe to disguise itself to where you

1874
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,280
don't

1875
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,359
necessarily see it and when it's coming

1876
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:03,680
you know um

1877
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:06,240
you know uh i agree there's a moral

1878
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:07,440
imperative do good no

1879
01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:09,119
not evil that's a good like philosophy

1880
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:11,119
to if you're trying to live a good life

1881
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:12,319
but then there's people that maybe who

1882
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,880
have

1883
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,799
fully given themselves to the dark side

1884
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,880
right and then they thrive and feel like

1885
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,400
that's the energy that

1886
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:20,240
that suits them more and i just you know

1887
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,839
i can't i can't relate to that you know

1888
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,400
um

1889
01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:26,160
who am i to judge interesting yeah i

1890
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:27,520
mean yeah

1891
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,599
you know you know i mean i i just you

1892
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:31,440
know i agree with ed too you know i just

1893
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,799
um

1894
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:35,280
you know i died i feel luckily i'm just

1895
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:36,400
like maybe maybe there's a lot of people

1896
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:37,599
don't have a choice like me i'm so

1897
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:38,000
thankful

1898
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,599
like i've thought this before like i'm

1899
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:41,040
so grateful that i don't have like these

1900
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,720
evil tendencies and i'm so grateful that

1901
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:44,240
i don't want to like

1902
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,079
murder people or whatever like i'm just

1903
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:48,160
like yay like i lucked out is it a roll

1904
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,599
of the dice thing like did i just luck

1905
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:50,880
out that i don't have that in me or

1906
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,680
something or is it

1907
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:53,200
at some point was i confronted with a

1908
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:54,480
choice where i could have diverted one

1909
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:55,680
way or the other yes

1910
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,359
you know i just i don't know it's

1911
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:59,119
interesting ten thousand hundred million

1912
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:59,599
percent

1913
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:01,119
okay at some point you were presented

1914
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:02,799
with a choice when you were and and i

1915
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:03,200
think we

1916
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,799
we always are like in our development

1917
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,480
but like when you're presented with like

1918
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,839
these options and for you maybe they're

1919
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:09,280
just small at the time you don't even

1920
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:10,880
even resonate with you but those are

1921
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,200
soul choices those that's what

1922
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:15,760
they are it's what it it starts to like

1923
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,880
mold and shape

1924
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:18,640
the spiritual being that you are and the

1925
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:20,079
way that your mind will

1926
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:21,280
because our mind you know we have these

1927
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:22,720
very powerful minds but again with only

1928
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,760
a certain amount of understanding a

1929
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,280
certain amount of perception that we can

1930
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:27,119
achieve and understand but sorry to

1931
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:28,720
interrupt you no that did that that was

1932
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:30,240
it i love that soul choices imagine the

1933
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:31,520
name of the episode right there

1934
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,400
yeah because it's true i mean i knew

1935
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:36,160
somebody very very closely who

1936
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:38,799
you know it was same thing where um i

1937
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:40,400
mean and that's the nature of evil right

1938
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:42,079
because nobody wants that around but

1939
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:42,640
evil

1940
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:48,240
drinks off of clean

1941
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,559
um and so that's the whole reason why it

1942
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,400
has to be camouflaged and

1943
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:54,079
look like something different and why

1944
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:56,000
evil energy is often very predatory it

1945
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:57,680
has to disguise itself as something else

1946
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:58,960
because in and of itself it can't

1947
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:59,760
sustain

1948
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,920
it's empty it can't be fulfilled it

1949
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:03,680
can't be sustained in and of itself it

1950
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:04,400
has to

1951
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,599
siphon something from the opposite in

1952
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:09,200
order to maintain its power and its

1953
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:10,720
strength and that's why it moves through

1954
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:12,160
and wrecks havoc

1955
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,839
on other people so yeah ma'am so alex

1956
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:17,440
you wrote a book about it

1957
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:20,480
what are your thoughts i think you guys

1958
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:23,280
totally nailed it i mean uh in terms of

1959
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:24,000
what i

1960
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:26,880
think the one thing that i'd kind of add

1961
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,480
or throw out of the question to you

1962
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:30,799
megan is

1963
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:33,839
i i i just think what you said is super

1964
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:36,319
profound and it was really meaningful to

1965
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:37,119
me

1966
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,440
darkness versus evil

1967
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,200
and i think that can be helpful too

1968
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:45,359
because darkness

1969
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:47,680
is that force that's undeniable and

1970
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:48,720
doesn't change

1971
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:52,079
and then evil is our interaction with it

1972
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:55,680
but my understanding and my belief

1973
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:57,039
from what i've learned and i want to

1974
01:04:02,470 --> 01:03:59,359
hear what you say is

1975
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:02,480
we are good we are all good

1976
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,240
even those who we see who are

1977
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:08,880
have made a bunch of bad choices and

1978
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,599
have gotten

1979
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,280
i think i relate to what scott said it

1980
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:13,200
becomes only they're only comfortable

1981
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:14,640
with the evil they're only comfortable

1982
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:16,319
with that energy that moves through and

1983
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:19,200
not but in a really destructive way

1984
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,319
you can always choose good and uh one of

1985
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,000
the interviews that i did that

1986
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,119
for my book that really changed me a lot

1987
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:29,440
was with a clinical psychologist named

1988
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:31,839
tom zinzer

1989
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:34,480
and tom worked with a lot of people in

1990
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,000
grand rapids michigan and he worked with

1991
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:38,160
a number of people who had been victims

1992
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:40,000
of satanic ritual abuse from the time

1993
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:41,520
they were young kids they are not even

1994
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,359
responsible for it it's just

1995
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,599
even another woman annika lucas was sold

1996
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:46,880
by her mother

1997
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,440
to a satanic ritual cult when she's six

1998
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,440
years old in belgium

1999
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:53,520
part of the detroit case which anyone

2000
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:55,119
can go and research if you have any

2001
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:55,920
doubts

2002
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:59,200
but that my takeaway

2003
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:02,400
from again from tom zinzer is you are

2004
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:02,880
good

2005
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:05,839
because part of the evil trick is to

2006
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,000
make you think that oh that's just

2007
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:10,640
the way that it is or that um it's too

2008
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:11,039
far

2009
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,160
gone or you know i've i've done so many

2010
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:16,319
bad things or i've made a pact with

2011
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:19,119
some evil entity or something like that

2012
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,640
you can always choose good

2013
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,559
because you are good that's your nature

2014
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,480
you can always choose good

2015
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:26,160
and that doesn't mean that well any of

2016
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:27,839
us know how it's all going to work out

2017
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,079
but you can just choose good you can

2018
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:32,079
look the secret of the ascent is to

2019
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:32,960
always look up

2020
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:36,160
that's my favorite quote wow

2021
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:40,480
for sure that's amazing great i love it

2022
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:42,480
all right okay okay now now then we're

2023
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:43,520
just going to move on hey

2024
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:46,319
you're right up now we're hitting yeah

2025
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:47,440
truthzilla

2026
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:49,839
zone yeah drizzle zone baby okay you're

2027
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,480
ready okay

2028
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:52,559
here we go this category is conspiracy

2029
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:54,880
theory and check all that apply

2030
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:58,079
yes no sometimes

2031
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,680
the term conspiracy theory is a

2032
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:01,599
conspiracy

2033
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,359
uh quote large case large-scale

2034
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:05,119
conspiracies would quickly reveal

2035
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:06,480
themselves

2036
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:09,440
um what do all men with power want more

2037
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,240
power

2038
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:13,440
quote from the oracle and the matrix um

2039
01:06:16,829 --> 01:06:14,720
conspiracy theories according to the

2040
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:16,839
washington post are more dangerous than

2041
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:18,240
ever

2042
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,839
uh the next one is it's not what you

2043
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:21,920
think and usually the best starting

2044
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:27,190
or other yes or or other so i would just

2045
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:27,599
say

2046
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:31,839
this is the one that really stood out to

2047
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:33,520
me and so uh usually the best starting

2048
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:35,039
point was one i did not select and i

2049
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:36,160
noticed you did

2050
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,200
and then i got that's one of the ones

2051
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:38,960
that got me thinking like oh yeah maybe

2052
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,839
okay yeah

2053
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:42,240
i mean obviously a lot of my deep dives

2054
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:43,599
have always started with like

2055
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:46,000
dude did you know the lady that runs the

2056
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:47,200
amber alert was

2057
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,799
imprisoned in haiti for child sex

2058
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:50,319
trafficking and clinton busted her out

2059
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,359
of jail oh what

2060
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:53,280
i don't know hold on and so then you

2061
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:54,960
look into that and it's like oh wow yeah

2062
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,680
it is all

2063
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,680
true wow so it is a great starting point

2064
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:58,960
yeah um

2065
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:01,119
more dangerous than ever i just you know

2066
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:03,039
it's so scary it's so scary how

2067
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,960
dangerous to who did more danger to the

2068
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:06,880
establishment i know yeah yeah

2069
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:10,000
dangerous to you know oh god yeah no

2070
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:11,599
that's that's i mean that's

2071
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:15,280
scary to me such a foul fraud it's such

2072
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:15,680
a

2073
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,319
when i tell people hey did you know jeff

2074
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:30,480
bezos who like doubled and tripled his

2075
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:31,920
wealth over the last nine months owns

2076
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:33,200
the washington post i mean did you know

2077
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,559
that they're like no that's conspiracy

2078
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:36,480
no dude

2079
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:39,039
come on um and absolutely what do all

2080
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:40,880
men with power one more power 100

2081
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,160
that's what we're seeing like when you

2082
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:44,240
get to the point where you know money is

2083
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:45,119
no longer

2084
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:46,880
an object and you have all the things in

2085
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,400
the world it strictly becomes about

2086
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:50,160
power and then that is uh

2087
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:51,280
what we're seeing that's what we're

2088
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:52,880
seeing and then you know arguments could

2089
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:54,000
be made i think what was it charlie

2090
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:55,520
robinson was saying like now you have

2091
01:08:07,190 --> 01:07:56,000
like

2092
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:07,200
um and and the term conspiracy theory is

2093
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:08,960
a conspiracy sure yeah of course you

2094
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:10,000
know it was weaponized against

2095
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:14,240
us a long time ago right so yeah

2096
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:15,440
yeah i don't even know if i know where

2097
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:17,679
to exactly go i mean you know we are

2098
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,560
i as charlie robinson says also i feel

2099
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:22,400
like i'm more of a conspiracy analyst

2100
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,920
than you know someone who looks into

2101
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:25,440
conspiracy theories at this point

2102
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:27,199
because the world around me has just

2103
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:30,239
i mean the conspiracies are real like

2104
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,440
you know when you put the weird theory

2105
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:33,679
after maybe you you put me into a

2106
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:35,040
category that's it's

2107
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:37,120
not very accurate so it does seem

2108
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,239
something that's like

2109
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,400
used against us very often you know and

2110
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,239
certainly i am the kind of person that

2111
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:44,000
when i hear something that um

2112
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:45,679
doesn't sound right i want to look into

2113
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:48,239
it right and that doesn't say i just

2114
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:50,080
i just believe it right away but i'm

2115
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,159
going to go look at the evidence and

2116
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:54,799
um a lot of times i found the evidence

2117
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:55,279
that

2118
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,719
to on what we're told

2119
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,400
a lot of these things i don't know

2120
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:02,799
exactly who and what is behind

2121
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,880
for sure there's a lot of it creates a

2122
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:06,159
lot more questions

2123
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,920
right so um yeah i mean

2124
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:12,000
conspiracies are i mean we're our

2125
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,319
history is littered with conspiracies

2126
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:16,400
right and uh i mean i don't think we

2127
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:17,839
would all be sitting here

2128
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:20,400
discussing the things we do if if we

2129
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,040
didn't know

2130
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,759
that most of them are true right well

2131
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:25,679
literally every single conspiracy

2132
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:27,279
quote-unquote theory that i've ever

2133
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,080
looked into

2134
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:30,319
never ever truthfully leads back to

2135
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:31,839
their truth

2136
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:35,279
ever so if we're looking at like you

2137
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:36,640
know the more that we pull the layers

2138
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:39,120
back on this matrix the more i see that

2139
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:42,319
like just about so i'm going to say just

2140
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,359
about because i want to be like

2141
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:45,359
scientific and give like a reasonable

2142
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:46,640
doubt to the other side

2143
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,759
but so far every single thing that i

2144
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,279
have become aware of in the last few

2145
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:53,359
years and in particular over the almost

2146
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,920
last year has it's been like warp speed

2147
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:57,600
us finding these things out

2148
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:00,159
um none of that leads back to what we

2149
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:01,120
were told

2150
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,480
sold made to repeat forced to memorize

2151
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,719
all of that is garbage and that has

2152
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,880
opened up the world of truth

2153
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,320
for me and i always just say that we're

2154
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:12,000
truthers say we're in a truther

2155
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:12,640
community

2156
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:15,120
um that we you know speak a

2157
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:17,840
well-informed or critical mind you know

2158
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,520
narrative um and that we encourage

2159
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:21,840
people to do those same things also

2160
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,080
um but yeah as far as like conspiracy

2161
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:26,560
theories i mean they're all true

2162
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,320
they're all of them true so i haven't

2163
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:30,000
i'm gonna i'm gonna be fair and say i

2164
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:31,280
haven't looked at the flat earth thing

2165
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:33,040
but in the back of my worried mind i'm

2166
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:33,600
like

2167
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:36,159
crap i think that probably we're flat i

2168
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,199
mean

2169
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:39,040
if that ends up being like the same

2170
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:41,040
level of non-truth that

2171
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,320
we've come to everything else then we're

2172
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:44,480
definitely on a flat earth and i'm not

2173
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,520
ready to jump

2174
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,600
off onto that one but what i am what i'm

2175
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:49,440
ready to say is is that like i wouldn't

2176
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:50,800
be surprised if there's

2177
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:53,280
some lies within there right like i mean

2178
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,480
you know i know like like

2179
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:56,400
like sam talks about believing like the

2180
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:58,239
realms the realm theory right like so

2181
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:00,080
and i don't know man i i don't know i

2182
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:01,920
haven't looked into the information

2183
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:03,920
what i know is there's things that i

2184
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:06,159
have taken for granted that were so true

2185
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:08,080
that i've learned there's such big lies

2186
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:08,800
behind

2187
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:11,040
that um i want to question anything i'm

2188
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:12,560
taught anymore anything they taught me

2189
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,679
in school is worth

2190
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:16,320
questioning yeah yeah so here we are

2191
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:19,120
flat earth yeah so

2192
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:20,159
i love it i didn't even know that was

2193
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:21,920
coming up and i know that that's i think

2194
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:23,040
this is hilarious spherically

2195
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,800
spherically neutral love that word

2196
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:28,719
that's the best thing ever dude so

2197
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:31,199
yes no spherically neutral elon musk

2198
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,679
quote why is there no flat mars society

2199
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:35,360
and suspicious i mean why is everyone

2200
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:37,360
talking about it like it's a real thing

2201
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:40,400
so i don't know hey so let me jump in on

2202
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:41,120
the flat earth

2203
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:42,640
because it's kind of an interesting one

2204
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:47,830
i told you i do a pretty sciency show

2205
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:49,199
and i've had some pretty respected

2206
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:50,719
scientists on

2207
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:54,320
and out of the blue a few years ago

2208
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:57,600
i started getting inquiries from people

2209
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:59,280
that you know when they do the fake

2210
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,280
thing like oh i love your show

2211
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:03,679
i listen to it all the time and you can

2212
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,080
tell they've never listened to the show

2213
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:08,800
you really ought to do a flat earth show

2214
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,120
you

2215
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:11,840
really ought to interview this guy i

2216
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:12,400
swear

2217
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:17,120
where i'm at right now is that this is

2218
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:21,760
a psyop to kind of infiltrate and divide

2219
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:25,360
the alternative community the truther

2220
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,239
community

2221
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,480
because of course flat earth is full of

2222
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:30,560
[\h__\h] of course it's ridiculous of course

2223
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,600
it's absurd

2224
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:34,080
of course if you talk about this with

2225
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:34,800
anyone

2226
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:38,880
going to think you're a

2227
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:41,280
wing nut and they should because there

2228
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:42,400
isn't anything

2229
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:45,679
to it scientifically if i wanted to

2230
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,800
if i wanted to plant a meme that

2231
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:50,480
you know the old roman thing when they

2232
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:52,239
say divide and conquer that's really in

2233
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:52,560
this

2234
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:55,840
translation of the roman of the latin

2235
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:58,960
it's divide and rule so it's like

2236
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:01,040
co-opting groups dividing them into

2237
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:03,520
groups let's get people talking about

2238
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:06,159
flat earth this is more controversial

2239
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,760
and i don't know where you guys are

2240
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:09,760
let's get people talking about whether

2241
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:11,920
there is a covid19

2242
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:14,560
virus now i understand that viruses are

2243
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:15,840
very complex

2244
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,000
they're not what we what we think they

2245
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:20,480
are i've interviewed dr henry bauer

2246
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:23,760
super respected uh guy and he's

2247
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,320
he was cracking the hiv aids thing a

2248
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:28,000
long time ago saying it's not what you

2249
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:28,719
say

2250
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:32,000
there's no virus again to

2251
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:35,440
me that seems like a very

2252
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:39,120
a calculated move to kind of immediately

2253
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,080
discredit

2254
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:42,239
a whole bunch of people and what i

2255
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:44,239
always point out people too on the virus

2256
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,840
thing just said i go off on a little

2257
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:47,440
another little

2258
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:50,800
side track it's all right go research

2259
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:54,159
the polio vaccine

2260
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:56,960
right because you guys are on the vax

2261
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,360
thing

2262
01:14:01,030 --> 01:14:00,000
and you know some of the terrible

2263
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:01,040
history

2264
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:04,640
of the polio vaccine and how

2265
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,719
it was built off of they cultured it

2266
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:08,320
these monkey livers and got a whole

2267
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:09,679
bunch of other crab in there that they

2268
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:10,560
didn't see

2269
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:13,120
but when they first brought out that

2270
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:15,520
vaccine

2271
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:18,159
there was the same kind of thing they

2272
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,080
were rushing it to market

2273
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:22,239
and then there was this one scientist

2274
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:23,840
this woman who had done work

2275
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:27,199
on testing the vaccine and she said

2276
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:30,080
vaccines not safe you know i tested it

2277
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,800
on some

2278
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:32,480
i did some animal tests and some other

2279
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:35,920
things i'm not sure on this vaccine

2280
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:39,840
so this one guy ash

2281
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:42,480
oshner i'm pretty sure the name is

2282
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:43,360
oshner

2283
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,440
he is huge still in if you go down to

2284
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:47,360
new orleans there's all these medical

2285
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:50,800
centers oshner medical center

2286
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:52,960
he stepped forward he said because he

2287
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:54,800
had a big financial interest in the

2288
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:56,800
virus getting out there i'm sorry

2289
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,760
the vaccine polio vaccine going forward

2290
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,040
he said it's safe

2291
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:03,280
i tell you how safe it is i'm going to

2292
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,600
bring up my two kid grandkids

2293
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:07,440
and i'm going to show you right on stage

2294
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,040
i'm going to give them the vaccine

2295
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:11,040
and you're going to see that it's safe

2296
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:12,800
read this people this is history this is

2297
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,440
not like

2298
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,280
you can read this on wikipedia you know

2299
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,520
the most phony baloney [\h__\h]

2300
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:19,600
thing but it's still it's that much of a

2301
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:22,239
confirmed history

2302
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:25,199
he vaccinates the two kids one of them

2303
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:27,520
dies within 24 hours

2304
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:30,640
and the other one is severely severely

2305
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:32,159
severely handicapped

2306
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:35,760
within 48 hours his two grandkids

2307
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:39,520
so what that tells me is two things one

2308
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:42,800
we should wonder about vaccine safety

2309
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:45,440
a little bit which is that your head but

2310
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:46,880
the second thing

2311
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:51,199
is anyone who doesn't think that

2312
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:54,800
viruses are real and that

2313
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:57,520
if you're injected with a virus or you

2314
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,159
can get

2315
01:16:01,669 --> 01:16:00,960
overloaded with a virus and that it can

2316
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:01,679
cause

2317
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:05,440
severe health problems including death

2318
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,560
i mean this idea and david ike

2319
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:11,120
you know he's kind of perpet you know

2320
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,560
put this idea out there and i really

2321
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,159
kind of called him on it

2322
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,560
gently because i love david ike yeah but

2323
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:18,239
i gently kind of call them out

2324
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:20,080
david you don't really believe that that

2325
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:21,679
there's no such thing as

2326
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,560
you know covet 19. i mean it's it's more

2327
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:26,719
of a mind trip to think that

2328
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,320
that whole thing was just nothing

2329
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,880
then i mean don't we know at this point

2330
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,560
you now i'm getting

2331
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,000
i gotta shut that down because that's

2332
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:38,159
like a two hour two hour discussion i

2333
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:39,600
know a lot of you have a little bit of a

2334
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,880
discussion on this one because i did

2335
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,640
listen to your interview with uh dr tom

2336
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:44,640
cowan who i am a big fan of so

2337
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:46,960
and that was a pretty short interview

2338
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:48,880
yeah i got i got a lot of i got a lot of

2339
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:50,239
crap for that interview and

2340
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:52,000
it i i'll tell you the story behind it

2341
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:53,760
but go ahead tell me what you no i just

2342
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:54,320
i i

2343
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:56,159
i guess i think you didn't get passed to

2344
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:57,360
to where to where

2345
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:59,280
dr dom callum explains himself a little

2346
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:01,760
bit more and and i don't think

2347
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:04,719
i guess the idea that the virus is the

2348
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:05,360
problem

2349
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:08,000
is the issue right because the virus is

2350
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:08,560
the way

2351
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:11,679
your body uh excretes the toxin is his

2352
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:12,640
argument right

2353
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:15,679
and so there's and so what is the toxin

2354
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:17,440
right and he he breaks that down pretty

2355
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:19,199
well i've listened to him in several

2356
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:20,560
different times and and

2357
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:22,239
i think there's something there i don't

2358
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:23,920
what i what i think is if you go back to

2359
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,440
the history and you know i mean this

2360
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:27,360
ties in with uh

2361
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:30,560
uh what's his name the pcr guy oh carrie

2362
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:32,560
mullis terry mullis like like he

2363
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:38,229
what's that the test right well yeah but

2364
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:39,360
he also um

2365
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,120
yeah he he got when he got his uh

2366
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:45,280
nobel award or whatever he was he got to

2367
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:46,880
go to a dinner with all these people and

2368
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:48,560
i listened to dr tom calan tell the

2369
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:49,199
story

2370
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:51,280
and uh you know he just believed you

2371
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:53,040
know uh

2372
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,320
you know that it was i think it was

2373
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:56,159
about the aids virus that the aids

2374
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:58,880
virus the you know the hiv virus caused

2375
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,679
the aids and

2376
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:01,679
and he went up to the guy who got the

2377
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:02,880
nobel

2378
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:05,520
award for for that and said okay great i

2379
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,960
finally get to meet you you know

2380
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:08,640
so now can you show me actually how this

2381
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:10,080
works

2382
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:11,679
and there was actually no science to

2383
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:13,120
prove that that actually

2384
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:15,040
this was the cause of this and i i'm not

2385
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:16,719
saying i don't think it comes down to

2386
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:18,159
the simple thing of like

2387
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:19,280
there's not something out there

2388
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:21,199
spreading through people right i just

2389
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:21,760
think that

2390
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:23,600
maybe our understanding that the virus

2391
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:25,360
is the piece you know

2392
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:27,199
and i think that western medicine does

2393
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:28,880
this a lot and i've heard dr tom kellen

2394
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:30,159
use this analogy right

2395
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:31,600
like this is this is the one of the

2396
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:33,120
problems we have with western medicine

2397
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:34,880
like you get a sliver

2398
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:37,360
your body creates pus around the sliver

2399
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:39,199
to expel the sliver

2400
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:41,120
right western medicine comes in and

2401
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:42,800
kills the pus

2402
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:44,960
right so so you don't you don't have the

2403
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:45,920
problem but

2404
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:48,239
but really the problem's still there

2405
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:49,360
management yeah so

2406
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:50,719
it's the symptom management but it's not

2407
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:53,520
even the you're kill it's not just

2408
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:56,560
uh you know symptom management because

2409
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:58,000
you're actually killing your body's way

2410
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:58,800
of dealing

2411
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,199
with the problem right but here's the

2412
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:02,719
thing here's the thing i mean

2413
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:05,760
i'm down with the whole uh terrain

2414
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:08,159
versus germ theory thing that those guys

2415
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:08,400
are

2416
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:11,679
i did a whole show

2417
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:14,640
on on that and that was super super

2418
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:16,880
complimentary and stuff like that

2419
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:20,000
tom i'm not down with tom at all

2420
01:19:23,390 --> 01:19:22,080
and i don't like his vibe and i don't

2421
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,400
like the way he he

2422
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:25,679
misrepresents things and leaves the

2423
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,400
wrong

2424
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:28,560
impression so if he wants to find this

2425
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:30,159
subtle line between

2426
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:31,920
what you're saying which is we don't

2427
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:33,679
fully understand viruses

2428
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:35,360
we don't understand the relationship

2429
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:38,000
between uh virus and disease and all

2430
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:39,840
that i'm down with that

2431
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,880
but like the big point that that just

2432
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:44,800
sent me off on him and it was mainly

2433
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:45,679
because

2434
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:48,800
uh matt bellaire who was

2435
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:50,880
i had spent you know two months with

2436
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:52,480
matt trying to show him

2437
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:55,120
how ridiculous this there is no such

2438
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:56,560
thing these guys are saying there's no

2439
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,239
such thing as viruses

2440
01:20:01,669 --> 01:20:00,480
at all that they don't have anything to

2441
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,679
do with

2442
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:03,600
causing disease and my thing is always

2443
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:05,440
just to go back to the ochsner story and

2444
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:05,920
say

2445
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:08,400
no you can inject someone with a virus

2446
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:09,600
and they can die

2447
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:11,679
you can weaponize a virus and you can

2448
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:13,920
kill people you can weaponize a virus

2449
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:15,840
and you can give people cancer

2450
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,320
this suggests that this relationship we

2451
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:20,159
have in our body and i'm not a medical

2452
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:21,600
guy i don't know this [\h__\h]

2453
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:24,400
first [\h__\h] i don't but the fact it's

2454
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:24,960
it's so

2455
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,520
plainly obvious that it is complex

2456
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:31,440
but to protect and i'm guessing what

2457
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:33,040
what i would stop you at and this is

2458
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:34,639
another thing i've listened to dr tom

2459
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:35,520
callan explain

2460
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:38,480
is is that they've tried many many times

2461
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:39,120
to take

2462
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:41,600
a virus out of one person and put it

2463
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:43,520
into another person and have it infect

2464
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,840
them

2465
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:45,440
and they weren't able to just do it just

2466
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:47,040
like that that they have actually

2467
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:49,280
had to do all this other extra crap to

2468
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:51,040
like put it in the monkey's brain and

2469
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:53,199
i'm i will misquote it but i've listened

2470
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:55,040
to him explain it but like uh

2471
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:57,120
but like it's not they haven't been able

2472
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:58,960
to just you know take a syringe from one

2473
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:59,520
patient

2474
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:01,120
and put it into another and it infects

2475
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:02,880
them and that's his whole basis of his

2476
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:04,080
entire argument

2477
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:06,159
so and i does i do think he differs from

2478
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:09,120
uh dr uh you know andrew uh kaufman

2479
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:10,960
a little bit in that and i would

2480
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:13,040
encourage you and i i need to do a

2481
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:14,800
little bit more research to really speak

2482
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:15,679
out on this and i'm

2483
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:17,199
i'm not saying i have this completely

2484
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:18,880
understood either but

2485
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:22,080
i'm just i'm always intrigued with the

2486
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:22,960
other side

2487
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,880
and um and when he just explained it

2488
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:26,560
makes it a lot of sense to me and it is

2489
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:28,239
it's based in that terrain theory which

2490
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:30,320
i truly do believe in

2491
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:32,000
yeah but it's not i mean clearly just to

2492
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:34,080
me clearly it's not all or nothing on

2493
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,440
the terrain theory

2494
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:37,360
it's like is i mean doesn't it seem

2495
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:38,800
obvious to all of us and i don't want to

2496
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:39,920
say obvious because then

2497
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:41,600
all this stuff that seems obvious isn't

2498
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,520
obvious but here are the things that

2499
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:45,360
that i struggle with is that

2500
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:47,920
you know what i think i have a pretty

2501
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:50,080
damn good immune system i know because i

2502
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:51,840
do a lot of good healthy things and

2503
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:54,320
i never get sick i just never get sick

2504
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:55,360
because i have a good

2505
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:58,159
immune system right so that is terrain

2506
01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:59,199
theory in action

2507
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:02,400
i get that but i would not go

2508
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:05,280
and line up to get shot with the ebola

2509
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:06,480
virus

2510
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:09,199
that some guy has weaponized in some lab

2511
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:10,239
in russia

2512
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:12,639
i wouldn't jump out to do that and like

2513
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:14,719
i said there's too many examples that we

2514
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:16,719
know of that where the stuff leaks out

2515
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:18,560
or they have weaponized it and they have

2516
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:19,760
released it so

2517
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:21,280
i don't know what he's saying about

2518
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:23,040
where you can't take it from one and

2519
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:24,320
give it to another again

2520
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:25,920
i i don't have complete knowledge on

2521
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:27,520
that but the thing that i that i

2522
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:30,400
got it pissed me off when when we talked

2523
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:31,040
and it was ma

2524
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,480
i could have definitely handled the

2525
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,400
interview better it's like

2526
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,199
not my not my finest moment by any

2527
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,120
stretch and i've never cut off a

2528
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:41,280
uh somebody like that he's the first 400

2529
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:42,800
shows but too bad

2530
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:45,440
but here's the other thing is that i

2531
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:46,639
said look

2532
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:50,400
here's the guy in the like when the the

2533
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:52,239
virus to be isolated

2534
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:55,040
right he was all no no one's isolated

2535
01:22:58,990 --> 01:22:57,120
virus the virus has never been isolated

2536
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:59,000
and i said here's the guy in

2537
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:00,560
saskatchewan

2538
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:03,040
who says he's isolated the virus and i

2539
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,000
took it from a

2540
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:06,960
personal standpoint i go okay imagine

2541
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:08,239
you're that guy

2542
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:10,400
and you get up in saskatchewan this

2543
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:11,280
morning and you go

2544
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:13,280
grab your cup of coffee and kiss your

2545
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:14,960
wife goodbye and say

2546
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:17,679
bye honey i'm off to perpetuate the

2547
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:18,239
biggest

2548
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,800
medical fraud in history oh but i'm

2549
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:22,400
joined by all these other

2550
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:23,679
colleagues around the world

2551
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:25,760
independently who are

2552
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:28,400
the guy's a virologist you can go look

2553
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:29,040
at pictures

2554
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,920
of the guy spent uh 10 years in the

2555
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:33,440
deserts of sudan

2556
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:36,320
working with viruses in camels and

2557
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:38,239
looking how the virus is spread to

2558
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:39,600
humans right

2559
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:42,639
he's a virologist because

2560
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:44,880
because viruses are real and these

2561
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:45,679
people in

2562
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,600
the desert in sudan they have a problem

2563
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:49,199
because the camels get the virus and

2564
01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:50,480
then people get the virus

2565
01:23:56,070 --> 01:23:53,679
so if for colin to be not

2566
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:56,080
talking out of his ass none of that

2567
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:56,800
that's all

2568
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:59,199
fake there's no viruses in the camels

2569
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,400
that ever spread to the people because

2570
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:02,000
there's no viruses and no one ever

2571
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:04,080
gets sick and then he never came back to

2572
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:05,600
his lab in saskatchewan

2573
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:08,000
and isolated the virus which he said

2574
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:08,639
that he did

2575
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,880
and how would you ever have a vaccine if

2576
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:12,719
you didn't isolate a virus

2577
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:14,800
so we can debate whether the vaccine is

2578
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:16,400
healthy or this and that but they can

2579
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,120
measure the

2580
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:18,880
the damn vaccine as to whether it

2581
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:20,719
generates antibodies and all the rest of

2582
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:21,199
that

2583
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:24,400
just completely

2584
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:26,480
false unless maybe that's what time is

2585
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:28,000
but that story

2586
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:30,639
just doesn't [\h__\h] add up go look at

2587
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:31,120
this

2588
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:32,320
go look at the i just think there's

2589
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:34,560
there's another theory and i i i mean i

2590
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:34,880
too

2591
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:38,080
i i really think that you you just

2592
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:39,840
didn't get there with him i really do

2593
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:40,800
feel that i really

2594
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:42,560
feel you just didn't get his explanation

2595
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,320
because i mean there's there's different

2596
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:46,719
ways of looking at what causes what

2597
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:48,960
and that's what this comes down to and i

2598
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,639
and i wish i had all of

2599
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:52,800
you know i i'm not the doctor and i'm

2600
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:54,320
not the scientist but i've listened to

2601
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:55,679
him speak a lot and i've

2602
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:57,840
i i think there's a lot more to it it's

2603
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:58,960
just he didn't care

2604
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,440
get him get him on get him on i'm happy

2605
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:03,280
to come on and talk to him again and

2606
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:03,840
i'll be

2607
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:07,840
more well prepared too

2608
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:10,320
because the part that set me off is i

2609
01:25:14,470 --> 01:25:11,600
showed him the pictures

2610
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:14,480
of the guy in saskatchewan who claims

2611
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:16,080
that he isolated the virus

2612
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:19,040
and he said no he hasn't and that for

2613
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:20,239
him to say that

2614
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:22,480
it just set me off because it's flat

2615
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:24,400
earth [\h__\h]

2616
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:27,040
like i just said for you know yeah it's

2617
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:27,520
i'm not

2618
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:30,639
arguing that it is much more complicated

2619
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:32,080
and i'm not arguing like you're saying

2620
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:34,080
ed about the aids vaccine thing

2621
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:37,360
the the the numbers don't add up and

2622
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:37,840
aids

2623
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:44,639
but the idea that there isn't a virus

2624
01:25:48,229 --> 01:25:46,159
doesn't add up either i mean these

2625
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:48,239
virologists are not just

2626
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:51,920
you know twiddling their thumbs all day

2627
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,560
yeah totally yeah i think we should move

2628
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:56,480
on from this one

2629
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,159
hey let's talk about pizzagate what do

2630
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,950
yeah i think we should i think we should

2631
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,320
uh in and we could talk

2632
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:06,000
pizzagate because we ought to we ought

2633
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:07,199
to wrap it up we've been going a long

2634
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:08,960
time

2635
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:10,800
i left a lot of good ones yeah there's a

2636
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:12,159
lot of good stuff on here man

2637
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:13,840
yeah dude and i'll give you the link if

2638
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:15,600
anyone who's listening ever wants to

2639
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:16,239
look at this

2640
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:18,239
i'm happy i'd love to see what you think

2641
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:19,360
oh yeah religion

2642
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:21,760
we have a question on religion you know

2643
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,159
it's good for social cohesion

2644
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:26,480
uh it's the highest expression of

2645
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:27,600
humanity

2646
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:29,920
and it's an unnecessary intermediary

2647
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:30,639
that's my

2648
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:33,840
take on it christianity woven into the

2649
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:35,600
fabric of western culture

2650
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:38,960
path to transcendence what jesus told us

2651
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:41,600
what jesus told me i'm down with

2652
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,280
anything jesus tells you

2653
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:46,320
i'm not down with what jesus told us

2654
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:48,800
cultish at least leaning leaning on

2655
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:50,000
cultish principles i'd

2656
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:51,840
agree with that never death experience

2657
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:53,199
i've got 100 shows on near-death

2658
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:53,679
experience

2659
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:57,199
yeah yoga i'm all about yoga

2660
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:59,280
we're living in a simulation e.t we're

2661
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:00,320
going to skip that one

2662
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:03,600
flat earth pizza gate oh

2663
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:06,400
god okay well you know i don't know i

2664
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:07,440
honestly don't know what to think of it

2665
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:09,440
like i think uh

2666
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:10,800
there's a lot to it it's a very

2667
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:12,400
interesting thing like james alefantis

2668
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:13,840
is a weird dude and there's a lot of

2669
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:15,760
strange stuff involved with that

2670
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:18,080
um but now that i'm seeing the whole and

2671
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:19,520
okay so here's the things like so for me

2672
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:20,719
with the q thing right

2673
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:23,679
i was and the first like when i think it

2674
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:25,520
was like 2017 like i first heard about

2675
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,880
it on a podcast and i was like what the

2676
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:28,080
hell is this and i started looking at it

2677
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:28,480
i'm like

2678
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:31,040
oh this is this is the greatest thing

2679
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:32,400
that has ever happened babith

2680
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:35,199
i was like yes yes okay like i was

2681
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:35,679
really good

2682
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:38,320
at this pretty good butt head yeah yeah

2683
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:39,280
yeah

2684
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:42,639
was like this is the culmination of all

2685
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:43,360
my life's

2686
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:44,480
everything is right here and i started

2687
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:46,000
looking into it i'm like wow okay hold

2688
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,639
on

2689
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,880
red flags and it's like so trump is

2690
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:50,159
supposed to be this white knight to save

2691
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:51,199
everything like that's where it kind of

2692
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:52,960
all fell apart for me right you know

2693
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,760
like i

2694
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:55,199
didn't want to put all the legs in that

2695
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:56,560
basket so like all right i'm going to

2696
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:57,920
keep an eye on this from a distance

2697
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:59,360
right but but it got me thinking it got

2698
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:00,320
me into it

2699
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:03,280
and then just like literally up until

2700
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:04,400
like just

2701
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:05,600
and i was trying to like you know what i

2702
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,560
mean like just kind of just like

2703
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:08,159
entertaining that okay maybe wouldn't it

2704
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:09,120
be awesome

2705
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,880
if john f kennedy jr came back from the

2706
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:12,719
dead and they rounded up all the

2707
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:14,159
all the elites in the world and put them

2708
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:15,520
in guantanamo bay that would be so

2709
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:16,719
awesome

2710
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:18,480
right so part of me just kind of held on

2711
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:20,080
to that until like just within the last

2712
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:21,440
couple weeks and i realized

2713
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:23,440
oh my god it was just a complete psyop

2714
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:24,480
just to keep us

2715
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:28,960
pacified and uh we're all queuing

2716
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:31,360
they've all put us in that box we're all

2717
01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:32,159
queue and

2718
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,639
it seems like the whole culmination of q

2719
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:36,320
was to do exactly what's happening right

2720
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:37,679
now in my opinion yeah

2721
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,960
that's what it appears right now right

2722
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,639
pizzagate so you know you get into

2723
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:44,719
pizzagate i mean i've watched a lot on

2724
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:46,080
it and stuff you know

2725
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:49,280
i feel personally my

2726
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:52,719
my take is is there's some incriminating

2727
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:53,679
things here and there

2728
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:56,080
to to weave the story that pizzagate is

2729
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,920
is there's not enough there to do that

2730
01:29:01,910 --> 01:29:00,000
there's just there is not enough there

2731
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:01,920
but that's that's the part of it that's

2732
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:04,000
that i hate though is there is something

2733
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,960
there yeah

2734
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:06,480
there's something there like there is

2735
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:08,800
like you know uh alefantis is is a weird

2736
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:09,360
guy

2737
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,960
you know podesta's like to have some

2738
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:12,719
weird art for sure

2739
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:16,800
they have some uh some emails that were

2740
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,880
that i would like some explanation for

2741
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:20,480
right like i would like some explanation

2742
01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:22,639
i want to know why they ordered 300 hot

2743
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:24,159
dogs to the white house right why they

2744
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:25,520
have three kids in his hot tub for

2745
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:26,960
entertainment yeah like i want to know

2746
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:27,600
these things

2747
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:29,120
but at the same time i've always said

2748
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:31,120
like if i had some like

2749
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:33,760
dark inside jokes with my friends i

2750
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,120
would say things like this

2751
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:37,440
too right like that's just kind of how

2752
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:39,040
my sense of humor works

2753
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:40,560
so like i don't think there's enough

2754
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:44,080
there but but it almost feels like

2755
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:46,080
it's made out the way it is so like you

2756
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:47,760
don't question so you're either on one

2757
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:48,960
side or the other

2758
01:29:52,709 --> 01:29:51,040
when there's probably something in there

2759
01:29:53,669 --> 01:29:52,719
but there's just not enough for us to

2760
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,679
really pick it out

2761
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:56,000
yeah anyway occult practices by

2762
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:57,600
high-ranking government officials 100

2763
01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:00,719
yes but whether whether or not

2764
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:02,239
pizzagates are red herring or not i

2765
01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:03,600
maybe have to go back and look at it now

2766
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:04,719
that i know what the q thing

2767
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:06,960
is i think there's enough there yeah i

2768
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:08,960
think there was always enough there

2769
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:12,880
yeah and i think again i kind of feel

2770
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:13,440
like

2771
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:16,560
we've obscured the the measure of what's

2772
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:17,679
enough

2773
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:19,920
yeah i think that was one of the psyops

2774
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,800
on that

2775
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,320
when i first came out of it i had a

2776
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:24,320
bunch of people in the

2777
01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:26,719
occult in the magic community you know

2778
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:28,560
one guy actually put a curse on me

2779
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:32,320
you know for it's like no man would you

2780
01:30:37,030 --> 01:30:34,880
read that and then tell me you'd let

2781
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:37,040
elephantus or podesta

2782
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:40,719
babysit your kids not a chance

2783
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:44,080
i've had people say that that in uh

2784
01:30:50,709 --> 01:30:47,199
you know child protective services uh

2785
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:50,719
uh they say if if we saw

2786
01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:52,960
what just what's been shown in twitter

2787
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:53,920
and stuff like that

2788
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,280
if there was like some kind of divorce

2789
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:58,159
proceeding he'd never get a chance at

2790
01:31:01,830 --> 01:30:59,040
those kids

2791
01:31:02,229 --> 01:31:01,840
yeah so but what's our standard you know

2792
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:02,239
what's

2793
01:31:05,910 --> 01:31:04,960
what do we really need this is you know

2794
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:05,920
because that's the other thing that

2795
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:07,679
pisses me off about it is

2796
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:11,040
number one they've to to me they totally

2797
01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:13,360
90 of people we're talking like i

2798
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:14,639
respect what you're saying it i think

2799
01:31:17,110 --> 01:31:16,560
it's a totally valid position i'm not

2800
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:17,120
saying that

2801
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:19,679
totally valid i'm not i can't i'm just

2802
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:20,880
saying i take a slightly different

2803
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:21,600
position

2804
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:24,880
but we go out to 90 of people

2805
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:28,800
and pizzagate to them has become

2806
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:31,600
a guy walks a guy uh is a conspiracy

2807
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:33,280
theorist he gets a gun and he walks into

2808
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:35,040
a restaurant and shoots uh

2809
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:38,480
shoots it up that's what pizzagate is

2810
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:40,960
it's not the real stuff that you're

2811
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:43,040
talking about and i'm talking about

2812
01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:45,120
yeah and the other thing about this that

2813
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:46,080
gets me

2814
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:48,400
is the satanic panic thing is related to

2815
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:49,360
this right

2816
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:50,639
because i don't know if you guys know

2817
01:31:55,830 --> 01:31:52,719
that i get off on this but

2818
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:55,840
you know like you go google satanic

2819
01:31:58,070 --> 01:31:57,199
panic one of the first things you come

2820
01:32:01,189 --> 01:31:58,080
up with is

2821
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:01,199
mcmartin preschool right yeah all those

2822
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:02,639
poor people at mcmartin's

2823
01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:05,760
preschool yep go read the witch hunt

2824
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:07,040
narrative

2825
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:10,400
uh by the guy from brown university

2826
01:32:14,470 --> 01:32:13,600
the medical evidence the first kid that

2827
01:32:16,229 --> 01:32:14,480
comes home

2828
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:16,239
matt johnson three and a half year old

2829
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:17,840
kid he's bleeding

2830
01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:20,000
out of his butt and he goes to his mom

2831
01:32:22,149 --> 01:32:21,600
and says this is what the teacher did to

2832
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:22,159
me

2833
01:32:25,510 --> 01:32:24,560
his mom freaks out her mom his mom is

2834
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:25,520
totally

2835
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:27,120
solid she goes we gotta go to the

2836
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:28,560
pediatrician

2837
01:32:35,189 --> 01:32:32,480
gotta go to ucla medical

2838
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:35,199
emergency and everyone's saying this is

2839
01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:36,960
this is what it looks like this is child

2840
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:37,520
abuse

2841
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:39,120
and then the police get involved and

2842
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:41,040
then they go to mcmartin

2843
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:43,679
that doesn't sound like satanic panic to

2844
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,400
me

2845
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:46,960
that sounds like a mob doing what what

2846
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:48,960
the most horrible job that you would

2847
01:32:52,149 --> 01:32:49,760
have to do

2848
01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:52,159
but doing the right doing the right

2849
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:52,960
thing

2850
01:32:58,390 --> 01:32:56,000
so when we put it in that context that

2851
01:33:00,790 --> 01:32:58,400
most people don't even believe that

2852
01:33:01,990 --> 01:33:00,800
any of that stuff happens because they

2853
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:02,000
bought into this

2854
01:33:08,310 --> 01:33:05,679
orchestrated notion of satanic panic

2855
01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:08,320
and then you talk to uh police who've

2856
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:09,040
been in this

2857
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:10,880
one thing they'll tell you that that

2858
01:33:13,110 --> 01:33:12,320
don't know the pizzagate thing they go

2859
01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:13,120
well

2860
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:15,280
i can't speak to pizzagate but i can

2861
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:16,320
speak to five

2862
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:19,360
other things that i've that are exactly

2863
01:33:25,030 --> 01:33:22,480
like it so you know i think

2864
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:25,040
we've been conditioned to think that

2865
01:33:29,669 --> 01:33:26,719
that this is like a trial

2866
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:29,679
you know and no it's not this is the

2867
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:31,920
court of public opinion

2868
01:33:38,149 --> 01:33:35,280
opinion is

2869
01:33:40,390 --> 01:33:38,159
that john podesta is a creep and he's

2870
01:33:41,350 --> 01:33:40,400
probably a pedophile and i won't let my

2871
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:41,360
kids near him

2872
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:43,679
for five freaking seconds and he just

2873
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:45,760
looks creepy and his brother looks even

2874
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:46,560
more creepy

2875
01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:48,480
and anyone who'd buy art like that and

2876
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:50,000
call it art and put in there

2877
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:53,040
in my court of a public opinion no they

2878
01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:55,199
they don't cut it yeah yeah and i

2879
01:33:59,189 --> 01:33:56,719
totally

2880
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:59,199
clarified that i was never uh they were

2881
01:34:02,470 --> 01:34:00,560
never gonna be people i was gonna let

2882
01:34:04,709 --> 01:34:02,480
watch my kids

2883
01:34:06,629 --> 01:34:04,719
i wanna clarify that like i like there

2884
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:06,639
was definitely enough there for me to

2885
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:08,080
to know that these are people i don't

2886
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,239
want to associate with i guess

2887
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:12,080
and that's why that's the the problem

2888
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:13,679
with it is it becomes all or nothing you

2889
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:14,400
either believe

2890
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:16,560
this whole thing exactly as the story's

2891
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:17,440
been told

2892
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:19,920
or or you don't believe it at all and i

2893
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:21,600
i just i guess i don't fall

2894
01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:24,719
in that in either one of those camps

2895
01:34:28,149 --> 01:34:26,560
exactly because i think there's just

2896
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:28,159
like i have a lot of questions but

2897
01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:28,639
certainly

2898
01:34:32,229 --> 01:34:30,159
the biggest one i think that's used

2899
01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:32,239
against us is just that the hard drive

2900
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:33,679
and the gun i mean the guy comes with a

2901
01:34:35,590 --> 01:34:34,000
gun

2902
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:35,600
what's the shoe he shoots the freaking

2903
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:37,760
heart one bullet

2904
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:40,239
i mean come on come on there is

2905
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:42,320
obviously something going on here there

2906
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:43,360
is something

2907
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:45,760
right um or they wouldn't hide it yeah

2908
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:46,800
or they wouldn't hide it

2909
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:49,360
yeah wow you guys holy crap we almost

2910
01:34:52,709 --> 01:34:50,960
went two hours here man

2911
01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:52,719
so how about this uh alex you want to

2912
01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:54,239
tell our audience where they can find

2913
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:54,560
you

2914
01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:58,000
if they want more skeptico yeah yeah

2915
01:35:01,590 --> 01:35:00,880
skeptical baby go find it i remember

2916
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:01,600
saying

2917
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:03,040
you guys are awesome it's so good

2918
01:35:06,310 --> 01:35:04,480
connecting with you and we'll have to do

2919
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:06,320
it again sometimes absolutely

2920
01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:08,320
we'll get uh tom cowan and we'll all

2921
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:09,440
have a chat

2922
01:35:13,189 --> 01:35:12,480
we'll do a little bring bring it on i i

2923
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:13,199
will uh

2924
01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:15,760
i will first of all apologize for our

2925
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:16,880
aborted uh

2926
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:19,280
first try at the interview but i will n

2927
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:20,960
that will be kind of a soft apology not

2928
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:23,520
a hard apology because there you go

2929
01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:28,320
okay okay well a great conversation

2930
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:30,480
alex thank you very much all right thank

2931
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:31,600
you guys thank you

2932
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:34,080
take care see you see ya we got a new

2933
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:35,280
cover a little bit a little bit in the

2934
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:36,639
vaccine a little bit of masks which i

2935
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:38,400
know everybody is so tired of hearing

2936
01:35:40,870 --> 01:35:39,119
about

2937
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,880
uh now that biden's in office and that

2938
01:35:43,990 --> 01:35:42,400
they've all you're going to hear about

2939
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:44,000
well no no no here's the thing is like

2940
01:35:46,709 --> 01:35:45,280
now that they don't need to use it as a

2941
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:46,719
political weapon anymore

2942
01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:48,159
and they can the world health and

2943
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:49,600
organization can lower the threshold of

2944
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:50,880
what a pcr test

2945
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:54,000
positive is that for real

2946
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:55,280
i saw that name and i tried to look it

2947
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:56,800
up and i tried to figure out that's true

2948
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:57,760
they're not going to give people their

2949
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:59,280
liberties back under any circumstances

2950
01:36:02,149 --> 01:36:00,560
oh yeah i forgot about that

2951
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:02,159
but i also think that they would they

2952
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:03,840
hate trump so much

2953
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:05,280
that they were willing to in the first

2954
01:36:08,550 --> 01:36:06,960
time in history give us our liberties

2955
01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:08,560
back just to spite him and

2956
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:11,280
give biden the win the w you will never

2957
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:12,719
i don't know i think they saved him that

2958
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:13,520
much i don't think

2959
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,560
like biden's a piece but like this is a

2960
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:18,400
worldwide thing right this isn't

2961
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:20,400
like the rest of the world's like we are

2962
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:22,480
locking down right now that is the plan

2963
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:24,159
that is what is going on

2964
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:27,440
and yeah biden is the perfect uh

2965
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:29,280
empty vessel to take the us in that

2966
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:30,639
direction absolutely

2967
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:33,199
that's how i see it absolutely so um i

2968
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:34,400
feel like any but he's

2969
01:36:37,109 --> 01:36:35,760
i mean he would have to go back on what

2970
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:37,119
he's already said is that you know we're

2971
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:38,880
gonna mask for a hundred days right yeah

2972
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:39,280
probably

2973
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:41,679
well um i i i do think that's gonna

2974
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:42,560
[\h__\h] do it

2975
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:45,360
well yeah i know i know where we stand i

2976
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:46,159
know i'm gonna

2977
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:47,600
probably get everything in jail this

2978
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:49,679
next round but i mean yeah

2979
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:51,920
in the corning camp um i mean i do think

2980
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:53,119
that uh

2981
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:54,719
you know i mean i look for every

2982
01:36:58,870 --> 01:36:56,960
opportunity i can to be around as many

2983
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:58,880
like-minded people without a mask on

2984
01:37:02,629 --> 01:36:59,440
every

2985
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:02,639
soul

2986
01:37:05,830 --> 01:37:04,159
yep got another freedom cell meet up

2987
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:05,840
this weekend baby can't wait i can't

2988
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:06,800
wait um

2989
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,080
so yeah if you want to be the most

2990
01:37:11,950 --> 01:37:09,840
fashionable person in the

2991
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:11,960
quarantine camp you can go to

2992
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:14,239
trucilla.org four slash shirts

2993
01:37:18,830 --> 01:37:15,840
and you can order yourself some original

2994
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:18,840
truezilla swag man some good stuff that

2995
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:29,270
you guys if we ever disappear whatever

2996
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:31,119
social media whatever truescilla.org

2997
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:32,800
we're on truestyle.org come find us

2998
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,560
we've got a new telegram channel go join

2999
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:36,239
us over there and please join us on

3000
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:38,000
rockfin guys we got premium episodes we

3001
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:39,440
got a new up uh series called the

3002
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:40,239
truczilla

3003
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:43,280
reconciliation commission um just a joke

3004
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:43,600
and

3005
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:46,080
for all the you know the tribunals are

3006
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:47,360
gonna be coming up for all the

3007
01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:48,719
the right-wingers and conspiracy

3008
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:50,000
theorists you know so we're it's a

3009
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:50,719
little little

3010
01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:53,440
nod to that convert us convert all us q

3011
01:37:55,669 --> 01:37:54,000
and honors

3012
01:37:57,189 --> 01:37:55,679
yeah we got yeah we went on a cool

3013
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:57,199
adventure last weekend you can go catch

3014
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:57,840
up and

3015
01:38:01,990 --> 01:38:00,239
you guys have to see this video oh yes

3016
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,000
and it was and it was amazing

3017
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:04,880
and uh you know shout out to uh tara

3018
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:05,679
haller

3019
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:08,960
um and alderbrook.com healing arts yeah

3020
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:10,000
healing arts man

3021
01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:13,040
she is fantastic go and find her yeah

3022
01:38:16,149 --> 01:38:14,719
we're gonna get her on this show and she

3023
01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:16,159
was amazing and we were

3024
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:18,159
real soon yeah definitely like in the

3025
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:19,280
next month

3026
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,990
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah a few weeks ago look for her and